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Old 03-28-2009, 09:26 AM
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Tis so true, and thank God for the righteous work of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, our hope.
Very true.
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I'd probably say things like this:

Da ein Christ ich keine Aufgabe haben, zum sich zu erlauben betrogen zu werden, aber mich, haben Sie die Aufgabe, zum ein Kämpfer für Wahrheit und Gerechtigkeit zu sein.

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Durch den talentierten und nachhaltigen Gebrauch von Propaganda, kann man Leute sogar Himmel als Hölle oder ein extrem unglückliches Leben sehen lassen als Paradies.

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Er alleine, der die Jugend besitzt, gewinnt die Zukunft.
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Old 03-28-2009, 12:41 PM
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Re: What If You Had Been Born Hitler???

What if I had been born "Hitler?"

I would probably end up shooting myself!
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But they did not become the leader of one of the most powerful nations on the earth, therefore their deeds are not as notorious.
Anyone who kills thousands of people is going to become notorious because of their deeds.

Hitler was born a human being just like the rest of us, faced with the same choices as many others born in the same era, in the same culture. Many others chose good instead of evil, which leaves Hitler without an excuse.

Hitler could have chosen good, and when he chose evil, he could have chosen later to repent. As far as we know, he did neither.

He wasn't born helplessly evil. He was born with a choice. Therefore, God will hold him responsible for his choices, just as He does us.

Hitler was not unsavable. He could have chosen to repent. Did he? I don't know. It doesn't appear that he did.

It's the same as Peter and Judas--both betrayed Christ, but Peter repented, and Judas was either too proud to repent, or didn't have enough faith in the grace of God to repent. Either way--one repented and was forgiven, and another died without repenting. Basically the same sin, two different results.
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Hitler was not unsavable. He could have chosen to repent. Did he? I don't know. . . .
Well, let's hope he did! (Right?)
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Well, let's hope he did! (Right?)
Of course.
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Of course.


Yeah, I mean, who'd want Hitler to suffer an eternity of torment? That'd be too horrible, even for him.

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Yeah, I mean, who'd want Hitler to suffer an eternity of torment? That'd be too horrible, even for him.

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I don't want anyone to suffer an eternity of torment. For instance, I was saddened by Saddam's execution because of his eternal fate, even though I KNOW he deserved to die.

There is part of me that takes satisfaction in the punishment of evildoers, and another part that reminds me that Saul was a killer of Christians, yet God saw fit to use him for great things. I think that we should refrain from rejoicing at anyone's destruction, even when they obviously deserve it. When we catch ourselves doing so, even justifiably, then we ought to deliberately remind ourselves of our own fallibility and need for grace.

However, that common fallibility doesn't mean that God will not hold those accountable who neither repent of their sins nor turn to Him for salvation. I do believe in order to be saved from our wickedness, we must place our faith in God deliberately.
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I don't want anyone to suffer an eternity of torment. For instance, I was saddened by Saddam's execution because of his eternal fate, even though I KNOW he deserved to die.

There is part of me that takes satisfaction in the punishment of evildoers, and another part that reminds me that Saul was a killer of Christians, yet God saw fit to use him for great things. I think that we should refrain from rejoicing at anyone's destruction, even when they obviously deserve it. When we catch ourselves doing so, even justifiably, then we ought to deliberately remind ourselves of our own fallibility and need for grace.

However, that common fallibility doesn't mean that God will not hold those accountable who neither repent of their sins nor turn to Him for salvation. I do believe in order to be saved from our wickedness, we must place our faith in God deliberately.
So, who does want Hitler to burn forever? Probably some of his victims' families, and a number of other people. Oh, and God, for sure. That is, if Hitler never repented, of course. God wants to burn every sinner who doesn't repent.

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So, who does want Hitler to burn forever? Probably some of his victims' families, and a number of other people. Oh, and God, for sure. That is, if Hitler never repented, of course. God wants to burn every sinner who doesn't repent.

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Timmy, when presented with ideas that aren't logical to me, then I resort to God's Word for the answers, and I accept what it says as truth.

All I can go by is what the Bible says:


Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.


Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:...

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:...

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: ...

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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