Are we to repent for our ancestors past sins?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It was just an observation. If your belief system doesn't allow for you to see value in confessing, repenting, or apologizing for the sins of your fathers... you will not see the significance of doing so in your own life experiences.

Likewise, other life experiences that I have that relate to my belief system I will embrace and see as aligned with such. While someone without my belief system will not do so with similar experiences in their own lives.

It's actually quite logical.

A - my belief system is called "The Bible".
And the gospel is about my sin, not the sin of my ancestors.
Now, I did ask a question that you did not answer, earlier.
Is every generation supposed to ask for forgiveness for the preceeding ones?
In other words, you confess, repent and apologize for the sins of your fathers (and mothers too, I assume).
So, would your children need to do the same, only add you to the list of ancestors?

Seems kind of foolish, doesn't it?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

But sometimes the framework of your belief systems just don't permit you to consider those things in the same light or context as my belief system allows me to see mine.

Quite simply, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal who believes I need to make reparations or go on an apology tour for something some dead ancestors did decades or centuries ago.

[Esaias]

From page 2 or something:

Part of our problem today is our manufactured and contrived individualism. We don't see our connections to others, to those who came before us, our fellows, or those coming after us. We're all islands in the stream, etc. It's part of how our enemies have essentially destroyed our culture. Divorce people from their past and the larger community to which they belong, convince them they are rugged individuals and that personal issues are of prime importance... and you have an easily manipulated populace with no bearings and no compass and no map, riddled with an inexplicable angst that bubbles up in nihilistic outbursts, suicides, depression, and other self destructive things.

You also get a church preoccupied with getting itself to heaven and becoming of no practical, relevant, use. Salt that loses its savour, etc.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Esaias

From page 2 or something:

Part of our problem today is our manufactured and contrived individualism. We don't see our connections to others, to those who came before us, our fellows, or those coming after us. We're all islands in the stream, etc. It's part of how our enemies have essentially destroyed our culture. Divorce people from their past and the larger community to which they belong, convince them they are rugged individuals and that personal issues are of prime importance... and you have an easily manipulated populace with no bearings and no compass and no map, riddled with an inexplicable angst that bubbles up in nihilistic outbursts, suicides, depression, and other self destructive things.

You also get a church preoccupied with getting itself to heaven and becoming of no practical, relevant, use. Salt that loses its savour, etc.

E - by this I presume you mean our connection with previous generations who believed the truth, like we believe?
Many individuals that come into church do not want to have links with their past ancestors.
Since their ancestors did not believe the truth and may have led unholy lives.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

E - by this I presume you mean our connection with previous generations who believed the truth, like we believe?
Many individuals that come into church do not want to have links with their past ancestors.
Since their ancestors did not believe the truth and may have led unholy lives.

I mean one's connection to one's family, tribe, and nation (nation in the Biblical sense), as well as one's adopted connection to the covenanted people of God (all the saints, past and present). The Gospel is national in scope, it is for the nations. Nations will be saved, as distinct nation-groups. Modern individualism is a satanic lie that has demonstrated its destructive influence wherever it rears its evil head.

In American public skoolz, we were taught America was all about "rugged individualism", that was its core founding ideal. The very essence of distilled liberty. But that's a lie. The founding documents (including those that predate the Declaration of Independence) illustrate decisively that the founding generation largely viewed themselves as the millennial Israel of God, established as a united ethnostate of Christian theodicy for the purpose of propagating the Gospel throughout the world.

The "rugged individualism" we were taught about is false, and an intentional deception. People are members of families. Families are members of tribes and nations. Family, tribe, and nation provide security, safety, progress, and development for the individual. By jettisoning the collective aspect of human society based on family association, a vacuum is created, ready to be filled by THE PURELY POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL STATE. Which is an abnormal condition, a pathology of human nature, and nothing other than BABEL.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

A - my belief system is called "The Bible".
And the gospel is about my sin, not the sin of my ancestors.
Now, I did ask a question that you did not answer, earlier.
Is every generation supposed to ask for forgiveness for the preceeding ones?
In other words, you confess, repent and apologize for the sins of your fathers (and mothers too, I assume).
So, would your children need to do the same, only add you to the list of ancestors?

Seems kind of foolish, doesn't it?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The Gospel is national in scope, it is for the nations. Nations will be saved, as distinct nation-groups.

For the record:

Psalm 22:27
Psalm 86:9
Isaiah 2:2
Isaiah 52:15
Isaiah 55:5
Matthew 25:32ff
Matthew 28:19-20
Galatians 3:8
Revelation 15:4
Revelation 21:24
Revelation 22:2

[Wilsonwas]

If you are born again of water and spirit, from where then would you inherit sin?

Not that I have a dog in the fight so to speak.

I can understand that Aquila sees this as making amends for the sake of your current family, to absolve yourself of ill will from others harmed, but how far back do you go? It will get nuts in 3 generations is my guess.

I am 1/8th Cherokee by what little I have managed to dig up being as my birth record is sealed. My adoptive family includes persons that arrived on the mayflower- so who's sin would I apologize for? Those who walked the trail of tears, or those that led them down it.

Certainly not continuing in abuse is a form of repentance from sins of the fathers, but not in the sense of praying them out of purgatory, or removing sin as a curse from genetic passing down.

I really think this is a rabbit hole.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

If you are born again of water and spirit, from where then would you inherit sin?

Not that I have a dog in the fight so to speak.

I can understand that Aquila sees this as making amends for the sake of your current family, to absolve yourself of ill will from others harmed, but how far back do you go? It will get nuts in 3 generations is my guess.

I am 1/8th Cherokee by what little I have managed to dig up being as my birth record is sealed. My adoptive family includes persons that arrived on the mayflower- so who's sin would I apologize for? Those who walked the trail of tears, or those that led them down it.

Certainly not continuing in abuse is a form of repentance from sins of the fathers, but not in the sense of praying them out of purgatory, or removing sin as a curse from genetic passing down.

I really think this is a rabbit hole.

Its not a rabbit hole, its a red herring and a straw man that nobody, to my knowledge, is promoting. Aquila, however (as usual) is trying to spin everything into radical communist talking points, class warfare, "social justice", and a plug for Bernie Sanders. Its prolly just the CBD talking. Or kratom, or whatever else democrats are into these days.

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Its not a rabbit hole, its a red herring and a straw man that nobody, to my knowledge, is promoting. Aquila, however (as usual) is trying to spin everything into radical communist talking points, class warfare, "social justice", and a plug for Bernie Sanders. Its prolly just the CBD talking. Or kratom, or whatever else democrats are into these days.

Reminds me of an article that tried to paint Christ as a socilist. Since this usually is an argument made by people that call the false church of Rome, THE CHURCH, they often import catholic nimrodery into their argument for government control of capitol, and equal outcome guarentees, which also often contradict Darwininian theory, and highlights the cog-dis inherent in such Hagelian minded social theory.