Uncut Hair

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by rdp

*Again, I can & do translate myself. I don't need "help" translating. That's why I took Greek, so that I would not be at the mercy of others. I can read & translate on my own.

*Moreover, I have already posted numerous standard grammars/lexicons (including UBS for Translators) who directly state that the verb rendered "shorn" in 11.6 means simply, "to have one's hair cut." Anyone who translates will have to consult these same resources. Indeed, BDAG & UBS are considered the standard authorities.

*As stated above, I am currently moving in the next 2 weeks - so I will necessarily be out of pocket until next month soon (just now beginning to pack). I'd rather be forced to sit & listen to a Hillary Clinton speech than I would move....and that's really sayin' somethin' .

We don't have to do it right now. Would you like to find a forum of Greek speaking professors, scholars, etc. who can comment on the Greek? Or... are you going to refuse?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I'm not going to answer on this one, but I got a video of the Greek scholar Marvin D. Treece . He uses a lot of the same points as RDP, that's a very established understanding amongst scholars.

The only problem is Treece only voices the Apostolic "interpretation" of the language. A narrow interpretation that began primarily in the United States among early Pentecostals.

For nearly 1,800 years, Greek speaking scholars and Greek speaking people never wrote any extensive commentary agreeing with the 20th Century Pentecostal interpretation.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The only problem is Treece only voices the Apostolic "interpretation" of the language. A narrow interpretation that began primarily in the United States among early Pentecostals.

For nearly 1,800 years, Greek speaking scholars and Greek speaking people never wrote any extensive commentary agreeing with the 20th Century Pentecostal interpretation.

What?

Did you look at this when it was posted? rdp posts Greek speaking scholars.

https://apostolicacademics.com/2016/...from-i-cor-11/

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What?

Did you look at this when it was posted? rdp posts Greek speaking scholars.

https://apostolicacademics.com/2016/...from-i-cor-11/

She's only quoted Apostolic "scholars". They aren't going to be honest about the text. lol

Because if they were, they'd lose their careers.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

She's only quoted Apostolic "scholars". They aren't going to be honest about the text. lol

Because if they were, they'd lose their careers.

She?

What?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The only problem is Treece only voices the Apostolic "interpretation" of the language. A narrow interpretation that began primarily in the United States among early Pentecostals.

For nearly 1,800 years, Greek speaking scholars and Greek speaking people never wrote any extensive commentary agreeing with the 20th Century Pentecostal interpretation.

He was part of the International Bible Society to interpret the Dead sea scrolls! He's a reputable source. You would trust a person like James White, but not Marvin Treece? Hmmm? James White is part of the Lockman foundation and will twist anything in a debate to get his angle. Ask RDP! People like him are the people translating these modern day translations!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We don't have to do it right now. Would you like to find a forum of Greek speaking professors, scholars, etc. who can comment on the Greek? Or... are you going to refuse?

*If a meticulous sentence diagram of the Greek text, lexical quotations from Greek linguists, UBS (do you even know who that is?) handbook for translators, many translations, etc. do not convince you - neither would you believe if the Apostle Paul rose from the dead & preached to you this Sunday.

*Guess what? I had a Greek tutor for several years who was a Greek professor. Guess what he taught about this text? That ladies should keep the scissors out of their hair! Now what?

*If you would have taken the time to actually read the link I posted you would where numerous Greek professors were contacted & they all said that these passages denote hair that is "uncut." Regardless, I posted the standard authoritative lexicographers in my post above. But, for the 3rd time now, I have no need to go to Greek professors since I can read & translate it on my own. Not really sure why that concept seems so lost on you?

*Honestly, this thread (& several other recent one's) reminds me of exactly why I stopped reading & posting on here .

Originally Posted by Aquila

She's only quoted Apostolic "scholars". They aren't going to be honest about the text. lol

Because if they were, they'd lose their careers.

*Not sure who "she" is ? And, you're as wrong as a "woman preacher" - there was not a single Apostolic source in my quotations (but I can marshal many if it will help you believe God's Word ).

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

She?

What?

I guess I thought rdp was a female. lol

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I guess I thought rdp was a female. lol

Dude, that is Roger Perkins, if you don't know who that is, YouTube his name. At this point you are just arguing. It sounds to me like your mind is made up on beards, and uncut hair. Despite what anyone presents or says. If your mind is made up that's fine, but just say "I don't believe fat meat is greasy" and that will say enough for everyone here.

Because as E.B. so eloquently said "If Jesus preached, David played his harp and the Apostle Paul took up the offering, you still wouldn't listen." Bottom line..

[houston]

The same can be said about the other side having their mind made up,