Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Jesus did not say illicit. He did not even mention sins. You are missing the point there which is people won't know or be aware of their tmpendng doom

No, you did not answer the question at all...Jesus was speaking about Gen 6 in Matt. 24 and you know it.


Again who were "they" and "them" in the verse, angels or humans...Originally Posted by Sean View Post
Isnt it interesting that Jesus never mentioned demon babies when He said that His return would be like the days of Noah, but He did mention the HUMANS were caught up in illicit marriages...



37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.



Was "they" and "them" speaking of the demons marrying women, or the HUMANS marrying women?....Jesus was talking about the subject of marriage in Gen 6 right here in Matt. 24.


6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.



JESUS WAS SPEAKING OF THE ACCOUNT OF GEN. 6.....

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by shag

Here's how I'm seeing this. 1st verse below says some angels sinned. 2nd verse below says they did not keep their position of authority, and abandoned their proper dwelling place. So let me ask, is it not possible that it was a major sin in the eyes of God, for His angels in authority to "walk out" on God by leaving their place if abode? These 2 scriptures of agreement do not say what they did after they left, but that they left authoritative positions and left their "realm" where God obviously didn't want them to. Is that not enough to make God furious? Or must we reach for another conclusion, an assumption from Gen. 6....?


2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.



In the verse 3 below, why did God say that "my spirit shall not strive with man forever for HE is indeed flesh, if angels were "what" were the primary ones that majorly trespassed in the preceding 2 verses? Why not talk about the AMGEL'S trespass?


Gen 6
1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”




4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.


And why in verse five and six, was he so quick to put the rap on man and man's wickedness, and says nothing about Angels? I mean if he's going to bind angels in chains until the day of judgment, that's pretty extreme, it sure looks like he would've said something about it here, instead of putting all of his focus on man and mans fault that is WHO every intent and thoughts of his heart that does only evil continually. What about those angels Lord, nothing to say about their wickedness or binding them for thousands of years, only mans wickedness?

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.



Very next verse: What about the angels wickedness Lord? Not a word....

7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”


Or is all this thinking "caught" by the assumption that angels took on mans form to have sex with women, so The Lord never mention anything about "angel wickedness of the heart and imagination? If so that's got to be the stretch of all stretches IMHO just because we're not sure where some extra tall men in history inherited their traits?

Good points.

This explanation seems more logical, IMO, by Gill:

Genesis 6:4

There were giants in the earth - נפלים nephilim, from נפל naphal, “he fell.” Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion.

The Septuagint translate the original word by γιγαντες, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just distinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim, the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind.

These were the sons of God, who were born from above; children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints; the former were termed γιγαντες, earth-born, and the latter, ἁγιοι, i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.

[KeptByTheWord]

It is very chilling to think that demons could have mixed with humans. Of course, some people argue this is why Sodom and Gomorrah got burnt up, and why the flood took place, to destroy them. So, there are plenty of speculations, and opinions on both sides that seem logical. I personally don't know what to believe about it all.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Genesis 6:4

There were giants in the earth - נפלים nephilim, from נפל naphal, “he fell.” Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion.

The Septuagint translate the original word by γιγαντες, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just distinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim, the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind.

These were the sons of God, who were born from above; children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints; the former were termed γιγαντες, earth-born, and the latter, ἁγιοι, i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.

Now you are saying that the word giants does not really mean giants.
Supposed that you are correct that Genesis 6 does not refer to actual giants.

Then answer me how it is that Caleb fought against giants?
and that even David and his men encountered giants?
just where did those giants came from?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by shag

Or is all this thinking "caught" by the assumption that angels took on mans form to have sex with women, so The Lord never needed to mention anything about "angel wickedness of the heart and imagination, because they were supposedly transformed into men? If so that's got to be the stretch of all stretches IMHO just because we're not sure where some extra tall men in history inherited their traits?

Dear Sean you keep on tap dancing around the issue but you never address it.

The Bible does speak of giants, Caleb fought against the giants, and even David and his men encountered Giants.

No matter how you try to avoid this issue, the elephant, I mean the Giants in the room just won't go away.

[shag]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

It is very chilling to think that demons could have mixed with humans. Of course, some people argue this is why Sodom and Gomorrah got burnt up, and why the flood took place, to destroy them. So, there are plenty of speculations, and opinions on both sides that seem logical. I personally don't know what to believe about it all.

Chilling indeed...if that then what else they been doing....

This is hard for me to get past, Context wise:

The Lord spends 3 verses in a row, The Lord blames man, not angels, for messing up so much that he said he'd destroy them with a flood. Not one word describing any kind of disappointment with angels. Zilch, zero, nattah...that I see anyway.



5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of (angels? Nope) MAN was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made (angels? Nope) man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy (angels? Nope) man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both (angels?nope) man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”


I'd think if angels got convicted of a multi thousand yr sentencing to judgment day right there, The Lord would say something atleast about being upset with them. But no, not a word, just with man.

Repeated anger toward (angels? Nope) man.

Why not one ounce of suggested disappointment toward angels along with man, if sons of God are angels in this context?

[shag]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Dear Sean you keep on tap dancing around the issue but you never address it.

The Bible does speak of giants, Caleb fought against the giants, and even David and his men encountered Giants.

No matter how you try to avoid this issue, the elephant, I mean the Giants in the room just won't go away.

Those rebellious angels , or their younger brothers were even still hooking up in the 50's, cause I remember watching some of their offspring wrestle on Saturdays in the 80's. Or maybe the ones from way back just broke outa their chains.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Dear Sean you keep on tap dancing around the issue but you never address it.

The Bible does speak of giants, Caleb fought against the giants, and even David and his men encountered Giants.

No matter how you try to avoid this issue, the elephant, I mean the Giants in the room just won't go away.

Brother, did you not read what I said already(several times)...the passage implies EVERYONE(and all other creatures) were big.....Noah lived over 500 years old, Methuselah 969 years of age....do you honestly think these men stopped growing at 17 years old?. When you stop growing, you start dying...They stopped growing no doubt at least at 100 years old.



Brother, if you would really try to take time to check out the works of ICR(institute for creation research), you will realize that EVERYTHING was big in the fossil record...this would include mankind.

Before the flood, everything got older and grew bigger. It is amazing to see the fossil records as proof.


The Giants in the time of Caanan land, were a pure bred colony of giants that were direct ancestors of Noah or his sons. They stayed to themselves and bred consistently large offspring...like we see today with generations of tall folks.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, did you not read what I said already(several times)...the passage implies EVERYONE(and all other creatures) were big.....Noah lived over 500 years old, Methuselah 969 years of age....do you honestly think these men stopped growing at 17 years old?. When you stop growing, you start dying...They stopped growing no doubt at least at 100 years old.



Brother, if you would really try to take time to check out the works of ICR(institute for creation research), you will realize that EVERYTHING was big in the fossil record...this would include mankind.

Before the flood, everything got older and grew bigger. It is amazing to see the fossil records as proof.


The Giants in the time of Caanan land, were a pure bred colony of giants that were direct ancestors of Noah or his sons. They stayed to themselves and bred consistently large offspring...like we see today with generations of tall folks.

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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Why can't it just make logical sense that these men, i.e., "sons of God" were simply those that were created by God and termed as "sons" in the sense we are called the "sons of God" if we are led by His Spirit - Romans 8:14?

And why can't the "Daughter's of men" simply be an example of being unequally yoked?

Why can't it be relational and not mystical?

Is God grieved because he is disappointed that His creation is still tempted by evil like Adam and Eve? No matter what He does for us, we generally keep messing up because of the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life.

That's all I see going on in Genesis 6:4 - self-serving mankind.

Why doesn't it make Logical sense that these Sons of God were angelic beings
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.

Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Behold! I see four men loose, walking in the middle of the fire, and there is no harm among them. And the form of the fourth is like a son of the gods.
Dan 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near the door of the burning fiery furnace. He answered and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, servants of the Most High God, come forth and come here. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth from the middle of the fire.
Dan 3:27 And the satraps, the prefects, the governors, and the king's advisers gathered and saw these men on whose bodies the fire had no power (and the hair of their head was not scorched, nor were their slippers changed, nor had the smell of fire clung on them).
Dan 3:28 Nebuchadnezzar spoke and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent His Angel and has delivered His servants who trusted in Him, and have changed the king's words and have given their bodies that they might not serve nor worship any god except their own God.

"son of God" or "a son of the gods", seems to be how they described angelic beings

Angelic beings perhaps who sinned
2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Angels who sinned by abandoning how they were created from the beginning

Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day--

These resulting offspring were not ordinary humans
Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.

Which we are told were very large humans
Num 13:33 We even saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak came from the Nephilim), and we seemed liked grasshoppers both to ourselves and to them."