Is there going to be a rapture???? - Page 13

Carl · #**121** 08-30-2014, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Lafon, i think it is just possibly that we have a definition of eternal that forces "forever, without end," when it may mean more like "set in stone; eternally recurring."

We will have eternal salvation but that does not mean the process of being saved continues throughout eternity. Likewise the result of judgement will be eternal but not eternally taking place. The idea of an eternal torment comes from the immortal soul belief.

Lafon · #**122** 08-30-2014, 08:04 PM

Sounds more like JW doctrine to me ... you die & if you're not saved then that's the end for you. Causes me to wonder, Where is God's justice in that?

Lafon · #**123** 08-30-2014, 08:09 PM

Back to Bro Eastman's question, my answer is a resounding no! I don't believe in a rapture, that is, as the word is commonly accepted to imply. However I do believe in a resurrection of the righteous dead, the changing of their bodies from mortal to immortal, and a subsequent transfer to the clouds of heaven and into the presence of our Lord at the end of the present era of God's relationship with mankind.

Michael The Disciple · #**124** 08-30-2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lafon

Sounds more like JW doctrine to me ... you die & if you're not saved then that's the end for you. Causes me to wonder, Where is God's justice in that?

No one said that. There will be a judgment day and the wicked cast into Hell fire. I just believe like Jesus that their soul shall be destroyed while they are there.

I say almost no one believes in ANY kind of Hell. If they did they would live in obedience to Christ.

Carl · #**125** 08-30-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lafon

Sounds more like JW doctrine to me ... you die & if you're not saved then that's the end for you. Causes me to wonder, Where is God's justice in that?

The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. Sounds like a rather severe justice. A person dies never to live again. Does God have to torture someone to be just?

Lafon · #**126** 08-30-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

No one said that. There will be a judgment day and the wicked cast into Hell fire. I just believe like Jesus that their soul shall be destroyed while they are there.

I say almost no one believes in ANY kind of Hell. If they did they would live in obedience to Christ.

MTD, just where is it written that Jesus stated the souls which would be cast into hell's flames will be destroyed while they are there? It would be most helpful if you would give scriptural passages in support of your claims, else its just your word against whomsoever differs.

mfblume · #**127** 08-30-2014, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lafon

...a subsequent transfer to the clouds of heaven and into the presence of our Lord at the end of the present era of God's relationship with mankind.

Technically that is what RAPTURE means. Catching away of the body into the sky. Actually it is restricted to the thought of being CAUGHT UP into the air.

Michael The Disciple · #**128** 08-31-2014, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lafon

MTD, just where is it written that Jesus stated the souls which would be cast into hell's flames will be destroyed while they are there? It would be most helpful if you would give scriptural passages in support of your claims, else its just your word against whomsoever differs.

Eternal judgment deserves its own thread.

Lafon · #**129** 08-31-2014, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Technically that is what RAPTURE means. Catching away of the body into the sky. Actually it is restricted to the thought of being CAUGHT UP into the air.

I am well aware of what the word "rapture" implies, however, its that part of its teaching which alleges that God will grant an exemption to some from experiencing death, but will instead instantly change their mortal bodies to ones that are immortal and of heavenly substance, that I'm vigorously opposed to and adamantly reject. Should such be the case, then it would imply that God is unjust, unfair, or unrighteous, and we know that He is not.

Lafon · #**130** 08-31-2014, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl

The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. Sounds like a rather severe justice. A person dies never to live again. Does God have to torture someone to be just?

Romans 11:22

Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.