End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

The church and the home are two seperate things. Of course authoritu to some of our friends only means LORDS over God's heritage!

Deborah judged both men and women. Phoebe was a Spiritual intity in Paul's life Romans 16:1

Aquila AND Priscilla taught a man (Apollos). Half of the ministers Paul recognized in Romans 16 were women!

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

The fact remains he called 12 Apostles, not one of them was a woman, it was to them He spoke Mat 28:19. He gives qualifications for deacons and bishops and it is male gender specific. He tells women to learn in silence, and not to teach or usurp authority over the man, when addressing how to behave in the house of God.

While the ministry still teaches and baptizes, the women must also still obey 1 Tim 2. Thanks

No, don't avoid the question. To whom was Matt 28:19 written?

A. Everyone, everywhere, anytime
B. Only those present when that was spoken
C. Only men
D. Only those God tells in a dream

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

When it comes to preaching the word of God, who is in authority, the preacher, or the Word of God?

You cannot be serious? Both!!!

Try this one on, if you are implying only the Word is in authority. It is the Word that gives men authority, men like Paul...

2Co 10:8..  ..For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
2Co 10:9..  ..That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters.
2Co 10:10..  ..For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.
2Co 10:11..  ..Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

Men such as Timothy...

Tit 2:15..  ..These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

It is the Bible that forbids a woman to usurp authority...

1Tim 2:12..  ..But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

A woman could not both obey Titus 2:15 (obviously injunctions to the ministry was not written to women) and 1 Tim 2:12.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

Show me the passage. Paul said circumcision availeth nothing and he was the one God used to pen the qualifications of the Bishop, among them was the husband of one wife, (not the wife of one husband). Guess what? Not one injunction to be circumcised in the qualifications of a Bishop. Try again

Did you see that question mark? That was a question I asked, not a statement. Don't read INTO my questions, just read them and answer them. It's simple, coming from a simple woman.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Both the preacher & The Word of God - which explicitly commands:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner....I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church.


Put your erasers down - it will still mean exactly what is says after y'all are finished tampering with it !

I'm sorry. I'm seeing a lot of blank space and missed the verse that says a man has authority over a congregation when speaking the Word of God.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The church and the home are two seperate things. Of course authoritu to some of our friends only means LORDS over God's heritage!

Sorry - Try again: "For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church?"


The home is to be a reflection of the church - next?


And, what happened to your "non-insulting" post only a couple of hours ago? You just infered we were "lord's over God's heritage" - so good to know you're not "insulting" !?

Deborah judged both men and women. Phoebe was a Spiritual intity in Paul's life Romans 16:1

LOL - Now you have reduced Phoebe from being a "ruler" over Paul to a mere "entity Paul's life"?? Keep demoting her from where you previously exalted her & eventually she'll find her Biblical place !

Aquila AND Priscilla taught a man (Apollos). Half of the ministers Paul recognized in Romans 16 were women!

Assumption alert! Just because Paul mentions someone's name does not automatically make them "ministers" - plumb silly.


Next?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

The church and the home are two seperate things. Of course authoritu to some of our friends only means LORDS over God's heritage!

Deborah judged both men and women. Phoebe was a Spiritual intity in Paul's life Romans 16:1

Aquila AND Priscilla taught a man (Apollos). Half of the ministers Paul recognized in Romans 16 were women!

Sister, it's a classic case of candy stick syndrome. We can discuss all kinds of candy but all they want to suck on and compare is the Twizzlers in their mouths. But it's ok, their candy is twisted.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

No, don't avoid the question. To whom was Matt 28:19 written?

A. Everyone, everywhere, anytime
B. Only those present when that was spoken
C. Only men
D. Only those God tells in a dream

If Jesus was instructing women to teach and baptize why did they disobey him for approx 90 years in the Biblical record after Mat 28:19. Could you give me ONE BIBLICAL record where a woman baptized anyone? Don't avoid the question.

You want to know why...Jesus did not call one, nor gave any qualifications for one. If what Sis Alvear said above is true, that Paul's acknowledgments (over half) was to women MINISTERS, surely we would have one Biblical example of one obeying Matt 28:19 and baptizing a convert.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

You cannot be serious? Both!!!

Try this one on, if you are implying only the Word is in authority. It is the Word that gives men authority, men like Paul...

2Co 10:8..  ..For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
2Co 10:9..  ..That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters.
2Co 10:10..  ..For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.
2Co 10:11..  ..Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

Men such as Timothy...

Tit 2:15..  ..These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

It is the Bible that forbids a woman to usurp authority...

1Tim 2:12..  ..But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

A woman could not both obey Titus 2:15 (obviously injunctions to the ministry was not written to women) and 1 Tim 2:12.

Ok, think about this. You are speaking about letters Paul was writing at the time. They were NOT part of any Bible. He was speaking personally about the authority he had over the churches as a whole. It has nothing to do with his preacher status. In fact, Paul rarely spoke in churches at all. He was always on the run. But don't copy his letters that were NOT Bible and claim as though they were. Paul never said nor insinuated that his authority was equal to God's Word.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm sorry. I'm seeing a lot of blank space and missed the verse that says a man has authority over a congregation when speaking the Word of God.

Still can't adequately explain I Timothy 2:11-3:15 can ya' ?


I'm sorry, I'm seeing alot of blank space and missed the verse that says the preached word of God is not authoritative. But, since ya' asked, here's a lil' diddy fer ya':


Obey your leaders and submit to them (I know that stings your ultra-feminist agenda & paradigm ), for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.


For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.


Can ya' see the connection between obeying the preacher & the Word of God - lemme' guess - you don't see it eh' ?



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