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Old 02-04-2011, 09:22 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

Well here it is again the question, What do you believe? In reality it doesn't make any difference what I believe or what someone else believes. People have the tendency to believe whatever they want. What's important is what does the Bible say!
I Corinthians Chapter14 deals with the confusion that is going on in the church and has been passed to Paul in a letter requesting his reply. He replys the answer directly to just that. The Order in The Church. Pauls does not address the ministry of Jesus in the world pertaining to a woman'scalling because he can't without contridicting what the Prophet Joel fortold.( Acts Chapter 2 verses; 17 and 18 It states once the Holy Ghost is poured out in the last days the result will be, sons and DAUGHTERS shall prophesy and, HANDMAIDENS will prophesy.Prophesy is not only declaring the future by the direction of God, prophesy is declaring God's word. It covers past, present, and future content.
Paul said in the church, verse,34.Let your women keep SILENCE.this means to be still and calm and under control. If the word was silent then it means, don't say anything.the other half of that verse states, commanded to be under obedience, which means under control of their husband.
I think this verse is one that is quick read and very misinterrupted.
In verse 35 Paul says it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church. Now there is no way literally Paul is saying women can't say anything while at church. Both of these verses has nothing to do with preaching but has everything to do with the out of control situation that was going on at that location.
Neither does this section of the Bible address the position of a Pastor. There is only one area that gives the qualification and that is only intended to a man of God. Men are the head of the church of our Lord Jesus as they are the head of the woman.
But thanks be unto our Lord and Savior for the detication of women in the churches down through the ages or half of the current churches would not even be here. Praise to His Holy Name!!!!
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:32 PM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

Women pastors / preachers? What does the Bible say about women in ministry?

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Question: "Women pastors / preachers? What does the Bible say about women in ministry?"

Answer: There is perhaps no more hotly debated issue in the church today than the issue of women serving as pastors/preachers. As a result, it is very important to not see this issue as men versus women. There are women who believe women should not serve as pastors and that the Bible places restrictions on the ministry of women, and there are men who believe women can serve as preachers and that there are no restrictions on women in ministry. This is not an issue of chauvinism or discrimination. It is an issue of biblical interpretation.

The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to, teaching, and having spiritual authority.

There are many “objections” to this view of women in ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, the majority of Jesus' disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, who was the pastor of the church in Ephesus). The city of Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, a false Greek/Roman goddess. Women were the authority in the worship of Artemis. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention Artemis worship as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.

A third common objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words in the passage could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words refers to men and women. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not only husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a switch to husbands and wives in verses 11-14.

Yet another frequent objection to this interpretation of women in ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. This objection fails to note some significant factors. First, Deborah was the only female judge among 13 male judges. Huldah was the only female prophet among dozens of male prophets mentioned in the Bible. Miriam's only connection to leadership was being the sister of Moses and Aaron. The two most prominent women in the times of the Kings were Athaliah and Jezebel—hardly examples of godly female leadership. Most significantly, though, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue. The book of 1 Timothy and the other Pastoral Epistles present a new paradigm for the church—the body of Christ—and that paradigm involves the authority structure for the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.

Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. Priscilla's name is mentioned first, perhaps indicating that she was more “prominent” in ministry than her husband. However, Priscilla is nowhere described as participating in a ministry activity that is in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. Priscilla and Aquila brought Apollos into their home and they both discipled him, explaining the Word of God to him more accurately (Acts 18:26).

In Romans 16:1, even if Phoebe is considered a “deaconess” instead of a “servant,” that does not indicate that Phoebe was a teacher in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). Elders/bishops/deacons are described as the “husband of one wife,” “a man whose children believe,” and “men worthy of respect.” Clearly the indication is that these qualifications refer to men. In addition, in 1 Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:6-9, masculine pronouns are used exclusively to refer to elders/bishops/deacons.

The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the “reason” perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for” and gives the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived.” God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. This order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This leads some to believe that women should not teach because they are more easily deceived. That concept is debatable, but if women are more easily deceived, why should they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? That is not what the text says. Women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. As a result, God has given men the primary teaching authority in the church.

Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helps. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).

God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers, or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership—in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This logically would preclude women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:03 AM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

Maybe a better name for the thred would be do you agree with the unBiblical concept of a woman preaching
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:20 AM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

my old pastor had a saying that fits this discussion pretty well[ if you don't like that scripture tear it out, before long you'll have a Bible you can obey]
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:33 AM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

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"It matters that we not limit the complete work of redemption. The elimination of division of every kind is a part of God’s reconciliation and restoration.

It matters that we understand the nature of mutual love and all of the mutuality that entails. Hierarchy will never allow us to realize the fullness of mutual submission, mutual sacrifice, mutual giving, and mutual honor.

It matters that we give place for the full expression of every person’s unique gifts within the body of Christ. Power structures limit the potential of so many people, but particularly women." Grace

I spoke earlier of my wife, she is very gifted to lead, has a much greater ability to communicate than the majority of men. She never causes me to feel inferior by being who God equipped her to be, I believe this to be the true "one" that God calls marriage. She honors my gifting, and I hers, and we support one another.

True leadership is servanthood, first to God, and second to those around us.
Most of the arguments Ive heard supporting the notion of women preachers in fact they try to use knee jerk reaction instead of Bible doctrine to justify disobedience. But if you don't want to be obedient to 1st Cor 14:34 and 1st Timothy 2:12 just tear those pages out you'll have a bible you can live by after a while
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:47 AM
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

I think the UPC has completely gone off the deep end by licensing women to preach
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Old 02-05-2011, 12:56 AM
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I'm starting to feel like I kill threads. lol None of these questions are asked to be antagonizing. I really am curious what you (anyone) feels about this. If you feel it's unscriptural for a woman to preach at all, what are your thoughts regarding women who are called to preach? Especially if you're a man who has felt that calling, you have to know what it would be to deny that.
Paul said it best[ the woman was deceived not the man] Saul of Tarsus thought he was doing Gods service until he met Jesus on the way to Damascus then he was able to see the light ]
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Re: Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

Excellent teaching Paul/ Thank you!

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Ecellent teaching/Thank you!
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Ecclesiastes 3
1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

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