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[Ehud]

Originally Posted by coksiw

If you read the post from the beginning as a whole you can see my line of thought and why you can come to the conclusion according to Paul's logic that if you don't believe in a future bodily resurrection of the dead as the hope for those that believed in the Gospel, you are effectively denying the Christ's bodily resurrection. This is coming from Paul's logic itself in the passage I explained before. See his logic, his connection of our bodily resurrection with Jesus resurrection, and the fact that it is our hope, and if the hope is removed, you are making Jesus resurrection no fully effective on us according to Paul, and therefore, you are denying Jesus' resurrection, according to Paul's logic.

So the implication of it is that if you are denying Christ bodily resurrection, you are then preaching a different Gospel. The bodily resurrection AS Jesus resurrected, empty grave, is an inseparable part of the Gospel, and Paul didn't stop including it in his preachings as you can see in the book of Acts.

I can't tell if you think I am trying to tell you that you are wrong about a future bodily resurrection -- I am not -- or if I am just that poor a communicator. So let me try again.

As I am new to this side of things, I have no desire to debate you about it all, nor am I equipped to teach a thing about it. But my hesitation to fully embrace what you have presented gives you no right to proclaim me lost for all eternity based on the notion that I am denying the gospel of Christ. I don't need your interpretation of Paul's logic to know what the gospel is because Paul stated it explicitly. It's the same message Peter preached in Acts 2. If you feel the need to add to it, be my guest, but I'm not coming along for the ride. I am in no way telling you that there isn't more to scripture, but as a basic starting point, I believe quoting an apostle is much safer than interpreting one.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Ehud

Oh, how I loathe when your name pops up.

Yes, exactly like that. If you for even one instance think that someone's inability to accurately describe the godhead is a heaven/hell issue, then I pray you and your sinless perfection have made no errors along the way. I agree wholeheartedly that a truly Trinitarian description of the godhead is or at least borders on tri-theism. I have also never met anyone that actually holds to such an extreme belief. (I admittedly don't get out much though.) Most I have encountered actually hold to a basic oneness position even though they wouldn't describe it as such.

Likewise, someone describing a spiritual instead of physical resurrection is absolutely not the same as someone believing in no resurrection at all. No one in this thread believes Christ didn't resurrect. If you want to accuse others of being mistaken or inconsistent in their descriptions, that's fine, but you don't get to tell others what they believe when they have so clearly stated otherwise.

I was not addressing anyone believing Christ did not resurrect. Rather the heresy that the resurrection of the dead taught by Jesus and the Apostles happened in 70ad. Afterwards when one dies they go straight to Heaven......and "currently" THAT passes for a resurrection.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I was not addressing anyone believing Christ did not resurrect. Rather the heresy that the resurrection of the dead taught by Jesus and the Apostles happened in 70ad. Afterwards when one dies they go straight to Heaven......and "currently" THAT passes for a resurrection.

To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord...
How does that mean where in soul sleep?

One of Jesus promises was “that we’re I am, ye May be also.” So does that mean Jesus is in the grave as well? Oh, maybe our spirit is with the Lord and our physical body is in the ground waiting to be resurrected?

[Michael The Disciple]

Preterism falls simply because without the heresy of immortal soul they have nothing to offer for eternal life.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord...
How does that mean where in soul sleep?

One of Jesus promises was “that we’re I am, ye May be also.” So does that mean Jesus is in the grave as well? Oh, maybe our spirit is with the Lord and our physical body is in the ground waiting to be resurrected?

in your view, what happens to the wicked when they die?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Preterism falls simply because without the heresy of immortal soul they have nothing to offer for eternal life.

You named one of your dogs after Celibate Misty Edwards?
You believe Demons fly airships and are waiting to appear to the elite. That this world has been primed to accept alien visitors. That Jesus “the Word” was merely a body suit that God formed before He made the world. Mike, there is a plethora of Apostolics, Church going Christians who believe in all kinds mess. That is to some degree is to be expected. They are sweet, beautiful, sincere men and women. You, you on the other hand believe in your mind, that you are not only right but you have some sort of special position in the grand scheme of things. You are “the” teacher, the one who holds the correct doctrine. But don’t they all feel that way? I believe I have the truth. But I’m not convinced that if I don’t get to teach everyone or even ever teach again, that the true doctrine won’t get past on to man kind. Mike, if you believed in basic things you wouldn’t make yourself a target. A target for me anyway. The logos created all things including itself? Is anyone else confused? Satan is a Romulan? Or just Mr Spaceman waiting to visit headquarters in Hazelwood ( I know it moved, I’m just slow at change) But these things never stop you, but other eschatologies are wrong. But you are right? Your Two Wintness teaching you have never taught that in YouTube or even here. Hey maybe I’d agree with it? But we will never know I guess. Also don’t get too upset with constepenny he is only calling them like he sees them. One would think you have something for Misty Edwards. Especially naming one of your dogs after her.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You named one of your dogs after Celibate Misty Edwards?
You believe Demons fly airships and are waiting to appear to the elite. That this world has been primed to accept alien visitors. That Jesus “the Word” was merely a body suit that God formed before He made the world. Mike, there is a plethora of Apostolics, Church going Christians who believe in all kinds mess. That is to some degree is to be expected. They are sweet, beautiful, sincere men and women. You, you on the other hand believe in your mind, that you are not only right but you have some sort of special position in the grand scheme of things. You are “the” teacher, the one who holds the correct doctrine. But don’t they all feel that way? I believe I have the truth. But I’m not convinced that if I don’t get to teach everyone or even ever teach again, that the true doctrine won’t get past on to man kind. Mike, if you believed in basic things you wouldn’t make yourself a target. A target for me anyway. The logos created all things including itself? Is anyone else confused? Satan is a Romulan? Or just Mr Spaceman waiting to visit headquarters in Hazelwood ( I know it moved, I’m just slow at change) But these things never stop you, but other eschatologies are wrong. But you are right? Your Two Wintness teaching you have never taught that in YouTube or even here. Hey maybe I’d agree with it? But we will never know I guess. Also don’t get too upset with constepenny he is only calling them like he sees them. One would think you have something for Misty Edwards. Especially naming one of your dogs after her.

Or he could be alluding to the fact that Misty Edwards is... oh forget it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Or he could be alluding to the fact that Misty Edwards is... oh forget it.

In the immortal words of Rudy...Oh My!

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Amanah

in your view, what happens to the wicked when they die?

I plainly believe the wicked are punished. With that said, I do not believe in the annihilation of the wicked. As of right now, I do not believe in Hell Fire, I believe the lake of fire was Jerusalem. I believe because of there rejection of the Lord there was a special destruction for them. I believe for those that reject the word of salvation, there punishment will be a place of darkness without the spirit of God.
I remember Verbal Bean stating, he asked the Lord to show him what Hell was. He said there was a think darkness that covered him and it was complete separation, he didnt feel God, and it was like he was about to go insane. And that was only for like a minute. Thats how I believe, you’ll be separated from God, where there is no light, no peace, no liberty.

[1 God]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

I plainly believe the wicked are punished. With that said, I do not believe in the annihilation of the wicked. As of right now, I do not believe in Hell Fire, I believe the lake of fire was Jerusalem. I believe because of there rejection of the Lord there was a special destruction for them. I believe for those that reject the word of salvation, there punishment will be a place of darkness without the spirit of God.
I remember Verbal Bean stating, he asked the Lord to show him what Hell was. He said there was a think darkness that covered him and it was complete separation, he didnt feel God, and it was like he was about to go insane. And that was only for like a minute. Thats how I believe, you’ll be separated from God, where there is no light, no peace, no liberty.

I never heard of this in my life. Where did this idea originate?