So you don't think Adam was made in the image of Christ?
Adam was made in the image of the Spirit God that created all things in the beginning long long before the man Christ Jesus was born. I think I was more than clear about that and provided plenty of scriptures
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Praxeas, I am sorry. I am having a hard time figuring out why you have so much difficulty with what i have said. One day we will find out for sure, but until then i believe that i have given the most scripturally based answer to the question at hand. The truth of the matter is you don't know and niether do I. Until then we just need to keep seeking the mind of God and try to be more like Him.
BTW, I apologize for what i said in the earlier post about you having a problem with the word of God. The truth is we all have troubles with it in some way or another, None of us knows it all.
I don't have any difficulty with what you said.
Just because I disagree with your positiion does not mean I have a problem understanding it. I more than understand it. It used to be my position. But the grammar of Romans does not support that Adam was made in the image of Christ. That is not what it is saying at all. It is simply saying that Adam was a type of Christ. I agree. Adam was a type of Christ.
BTW as for the truth of the matter: I NEVER claimed I knew. I claimed that God was speaking to the angels is the best explanation and I gave ample scriptures not only to back up my viewpoint but also to question yours. If anyone wants to engage my in those verses and point out how they do not say what I believe they are saying, or answer my questions rather than dismissing an entire page of postings with one sentence, I would be happy to engage in a discussion on the matter
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Adam was made in the image of the Spirit God that created all things in the beginning long long before the man Christ Jesus was born. I think I was more than clear about that and provided plenty of scriptures
Exactly what is the image of a spirit?
And Jesus might not have been born, but He certainly was there during creation, and I'm sure you agree with that. In fact, He is the Creator, which I know you agree with as well, so I'm puzzled why you say Adam was created in the image of the Spirit God.
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And Jesus might not have been born, but He certainly was there during creation, and I'm sure you agree with that. In fact, He is the Creator, which I know you agree with as well, so I'm puzzled why you say Adam was created in the image of the Spirit God.
Once again you are asking me questions I already answered
You are puzzled why I say Adam was created in the image of the Spirit God? Because you asked about Christ. Christ is a messianic term referring to His humanity. We were made in the image of GOD, at least I was and so were the angels.
Re quoting from the article I quoted from already
In response to the first objection, it seems best to see the "image" in which man was created to be one of moral, spiritual, intellectual, and emotional qualities rather than any physical qualities or similarities. God and angels both possess all of these attributes that men have. Sometimes we view angels as android beings created by God that have no choice but to serve Him in holiness and righteousness, being emotionless, and have no way of thinking for themselves. This is an unbiblical view. Peter said angels are interested in the activities of the church when he said concerning the gospel being preached with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven, "which things the angels desire to look into" (I Peter 1:12). We see from this verse that angels do have a will of their own by the fact that theydesire to look into these things. God does not command them to do this, but they have a desire to do so. This indicates that angels have an emotional spectrum and intellectual independence. They have spiritual qualities in that they worship God and moral qualities in that they choose to stay pure
Jesus is God incarnate. Before Jesus was born there was just God, not incarnate. God was Spirit only, no human body.
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Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Be sure to not only say, 'Let's take a listen', but when you hear the bowel sounds, say, "You all are sure noisy!"
When I hear bowel sounds I'll say ' Aren't WE noisy today!" or "WE are waking up very slowly following your surgery".
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26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Sola, To find a Trinity in Genesis 1, you have to read that doctrine into it. For instance in verse 26, let's use Trinitarian-type arguementation: There are two subjects in this verse, God and one or more who are other than God. (us). That would mean the, us, is not and cannot be God.
A Trinitarian has to read God in this verse very differently than it is written and would have to coax a reading of another who is God from the word, make.
Why don' t you show us how you could prove the Trinity from this verse and then answer why God in verse 27, the same God in verse 26 then is referred to with singular pronouns.
BUMP for Sola!
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Once again you are asking me questions I already answered
You are puzzled why I say Adam was created in the image of the Spirit God? Because you asked about Christ. Christ is a messianic term referring to His humanity. We were made in the image of GOD, at least I was and so were the angels.
Re quoting from the article I quoted from already
In response to the first objection, it seems best to see the "image" in which man was created to be one of moral, spiritual, intellectual, and emotional qualities rather than any physical qualities or similarities. God and angels both possess all of these attributes that men have. Sometimes we view angels as android beings created by God that have no choice but to serve Him in holiness and righteousness, being emotionless, and have no way of thinking for themselves. This is an unbiblical view. Peter said angels are interested in the activities of the church when he said concerning the gospel being preached with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven, "which things the angels desire to look into" (I Peter 1:12). We see from this verse that angels do have a will of their own by the fact that theydesire to look into these things. God does not command them to do this, but they have a desire to do so. This indicates that angels have an emotional spectrum and intellectual independence. They have spiritual qualities in that they worship God and moral qualities in that they choose to stay pure
Jesus is God incarnate. Before Jesus was born there was just God, not incarnate. God was Spirit only, no human body.
Jesus is made in the image of God, and Jesus is also called the Creator, being God, so I'm puzzled why you think that no body existed...unless you are referring to a human one only.
We are made in the image of God as Jesus was. I don't see scripture that says the angels are made in the image of God.
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Jesus is made in the image of God, and Jesus is also called the Creator, being God, so I'm puzzled why you think that no body existed...unless you are referring to a human one only.
We are made in the image of God as Jesus was. I don't see scripture that says the angels are made in the image of God.
The bible does not say Jesus is made IN the image of God. It says Jesus is the image of God, but it also says man is the image of God. Jesus is God. I don't know of a body that existed nor do I know how Jesus being God or being the image of God (refering to the incarnation, yes including his body) can mean there was a body before creation that we were made in...BTW I have still provided ample scriptures and have questions and points nobody is answering or responding to.
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
The bible does not say Jesus is made IN the image of God. It says Jesus is the image of God, but it also says man is the image of God. Jesus is God. I don't know of a body that existed nor do I know how Jesus being God or being the image of God (refering to the incarnation, yes including his body) can mean there was a body before creation that we were made in...BTW I have still provided ample scriptures and have questions and points nobody is answering or responding to.
Oops, I see what I did wrong. I didn't mean to say that Jesus was MADE in the image of God, but that He is the image of God. Sorry about that.
However, the Spirit of God is so vast, being omnipresent, that I don't understand why you don't think there was a body. Even ole whathisname saw a fourth MAN in the furnace. Spirit? Probably so, but not in the same way God is a spirit, but rather, the same way that Jesus was seen of men yet walked through walls and closed doors.
Man is MADE in the image of God, yet also being the image of God. So, what does that mean? And why aren't angels made in the image of God?
Someone had to form man of His own hands. A spirit does not have hands, but I believe God is powerful enough to make Himself a body able to form man from the dust, just as He come in the form of man several times before the man Jesus Christ appeared on the scene.
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However, the Spirit of God is so vast, being omnipresent, that I don't understand why you don't think there was a body.
I don't understand what being omnipresent has to do with having a body.
It's not until Jesus is born that the bible speaks of having a body
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Col 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Jesus said God is Spirit. That is what God is outside of the incarnation and we are told that ALL of heaven is His throne.
A body is a physical instrument necessary to interact with other things. Our souls and spirits are united with a human body in order to interact with the material world. We are like God in the fact that God is a moral being with will and emotions. That is how we are like God. God is the creator and we have a creative ability in our imagination and seeking ways to make it happen. God and angels and man all have a similar image. Having a body and having an image are not the same thing.
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Even ole whathisname saw a fourth MAN in the furnace. Spirit? Probably so, but not in the same way God is a spirit, but rather, the same way that Jesus was seen of men yet walked through walls and closed doors.
He saw an angel. Jesus was never "seen" prior to the incarnation. The name Jesus was ONLY given AFTER the Son was born. Jesus is not just God. Jesus is God incarnate. God and flesh. Prior to the incarnation Jesus was/is simply just Yahweh.
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Man is MADE in the image of God, yet also being the image of God. So, what does that mean? And why aren't angels made in the image of God?
What do you mean why aren't they? I was the one that first said they WERE made in the image of God and you disagreed with me!
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Someone had to form man of His own hands. A spirit does not have hands, but I believe God is powerful enough to make Himself a body able to form man from the dust, just as He come in the form of man several times before the man Jesus Christ appeared on the scene.
We aren't discussing whether God is powerful enough to make Himself a body.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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