the spiritually dead might also be 'raised,' in a sense.
Has anyone volunteered the "miracles are for the lost" passage yet, T? I'm pretty sure it was Christ telling the disciples this, but my search phrase is not helping me...
I will continue to pray for that to happen, and I will at some moment in the near future do so and he will be healed, but ONLY "after" I have received assurance from God that it will happen. And I am even now awaiting for that confirmation.
Nice, Lafon. I'd be interested in the developments there, send us a report! HNY to all!
The Prophet Isaiah looked to the future and saw the cross, and declared. "By His stripes we ARE
healed." The Old Testament believers could appropriate healing for their bodies through the promise.
The Apostle Peter looked back to the cross and declared, "By whose stripes we were healed."
The Church should be told that healing, deliverance, forgiveness and peace of mindbelongs
to us!"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the word of God."
Oh! How our Lord willingly allowed Himself to be beaten; first by the Jews of ancient Israel who repeatedly struck (i.e., "smote") him with the palms of their hands, and a short while later when the Roman soldiers used a reed to flail His body. It was such a horrible sight to look upon His broken, severely beaten body; deep gashes in His back, blood oozing from them! It was so pitiful looking that many there turned their heads, being repulsed at the sight they had seen! And just think, all this physical torture so that "by His stripes" we might receive "healings" of our physical body!
How often have you heard someone make such statements? Quite often, yes? In fact, those who make such statements even refer to the scriptural passages of Isaiah 53:5 and I Peter 2:24 (just as you've done) in an attempt to lend credibility to their claim. Well, it simply is NOT true! Yes, that's correct, its just NOT true!
In my humble opinion (be it right or wrong; I'll leave that for the Lord to decide), I am persuaded to believe there prevails a widespread misunderstanding among contemporary One God Apostolic Pentecostal Christians concerning a "figure of speech," if you please, that was used in the writings of the prophet Isaiah, as well as those of Peter the apostle, and is generally interpreted in the literal sense to imply physical "healings," when, in fact, it actually refers to something altogether different.
I am referring specifically to the word "stripes" found in the following passages wherein reference has been made to the physical beating our Lord suffered at the hand of both the accusing Jews and the Roman soldiers at the time of His crucifixion. Let's look carefully at these passages:
"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed" [Isaiah 53:5]
"Who his own self bare our sins in own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed" [I Peter 2:24].
Calling attention to the words of Proverbs 25:2, which advise that "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:..." then I believe it imperative, if we are to properly comprehend the "esoteric" content of Isaiah and Peter's statements wherein reference is made to the "stripes" which were inflicted upon our Lord's physical body at the time of His crucifixion, we MUST carefully examine the context of the scriptural passages wherein this word appears to discover what is being stated.
Isaiah, as well as Peter, wrote to advise us that our Lord allowed sinful men to inflict many blows upon His physical body, however, none of this was done so that you and I, or any other, might receive "healings" of the physical sicknesses and diseases that might be inflicted upon our physical bodies. While hoping I don't come across as being ridiculous, I must state that such an interpretation of their words are absolutely ludicrous and altogether wrong!
Please note that In Isaiah's statement he is referring to "our transgressions," "our iniquities," and "our peace" (that is, our need for reconciliation to God); while Peter has written to advise us that our Lord was crucified because of "our sins." In other words, the "stripes," or physical beating, was all an integral part of the physical suffering He willingly underwent while sacrificing His physical body, and the subsequent shedding of His life's blood, as a token of atonement for "our sins."
Isaiah explicitly wrote that it was "with his stripes we are HEALED" of "our transgressions" and "our iniquities," whereas Peter wrote that it was "BY whose stripes" ye were HEALED" of "our sins." Neither made any mention whatsoever about our physical healing! Rather, the "stripes" (i.e., beatings) our Lord allowed sinful men to inflict upon His physical body at the time of His crucifixion was part and parcel of the physical suffering He willingly underwent to EFFECTUATE God's plan for the redemption of the souls of sinful mankind!
We do NOT gain or acquire "healings" for our physical ailments as a result of the "stripes" and physical beating our Lord received prior to His crucifixion, rather such is obtained through the power of His Name! This fact is made indisputably clear in our Lord's words recorded in Mark 16:17-18, to wit, "And these signs shall follow them that believe: IN MY NAME ... they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
An excellent example of this is seen when Peter took the hand of the lame man at the gate of the temple in Jerusalem and said, "In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk" (see Acts 3:1-8). Peter did NOT tell the lame man to "rise up and walk" because the Lord allowed Himself to suffer horrendous physical torture so that the likes of you could be HEALED!!
By the way, I don't blame God for anything. Why would I? Why would anyone think that I do?
I didn't state that you blamed God, only suggested that you NOT do so. Neither do I blame you for your brother not being healed. If I left that impression, I beg your forgiveness!
I didn't state that you blamed God, only suggested that you NOT do so. Neither do I blame you for your brother not being healed. If I left that impression, I beg your forgiveness!
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Have you seen my other post?
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Timmy, you really did take things way too far and offcourse to get so upset with Christianity when your brother died, though I do not belittle the thought of his loss in any way by saying this. People died in the bible without healing, too! But that did not stop folks from serving God.
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the spiritually dead might also be 'raised,' in a sense.
Has anyone volunteered the "miracles are for the lost" passage yet, T? I'm pretty sure it was Christ telling the disciples this, but my search phrase is not helping me...
Could you be thinking of 1 Corinthians 14, saying tongues are for unbelievers?
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Timmy, you really did take things way too far and offcourse to get so upset with Christianity when your brother died, though I do not belittle the thought of his loss in any way by saying this. People died in the bible without healing, too! But that did not stop folks from serving God.
I may have misled here, but that was really just one piece of it. Many, many other factors.
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Originally Posted by Lafon
Oh! How our Lord willingly allowed Himself to be beaten; first by the Jews of ancient Israel who repeatedly struck (i.e., "smote") him with the palms of their hands, and a short while later when the Roman soldiers used a reed to flail His body. It was such a horrible sight to look upon His broken, severely beaten body; deep gashes in His back, blood oozing from them! It was so pitiful looking that many there turned their heads, being repulsed at the sight they had seen! And just think, all this physical torture so that "by His stripes" we might receive "healings" of our physical body!
How often have you heard someone make such statements? Quite often, yes? In fact, those who make such statements even refer to the scriptural passages of Isaiah 53:5 and I Peter 2:24 (just as you've done) in an attempt to lend credibility to their claim. Well, it simply is NOT true! Yes, that's correct, its just NOT true!
In my humble opinion (be it right or wrong; I'll leave that for the Lord to decide), I am persuaded to believe there prevails a widespread misunderstanding among contemporary One God Apostolic Pentecostal Christians concerning a "figure of speech," if you please, that was used in the writings of the prophet Isaiah, as well as those of Peter the apostle, and is generally interpreted in the literal sense to imply physical "healings," when, in fact, it actually refers to something altogether different.
I am referring specifically to the word "stripes" found in the following passages wherein reference has been made to the physical beating our Lord suffered at the hand of both the accusing Jews and the Roman soldiers at the time of His crucifixion. Let's look carefully at these passages:
"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed" [Isaiah 53:5]
"Who his own self bare our sins in own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed" [I Peter 2:24].
Calling attention to the words of Proverbs 25:2, which advise that "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:..." then I believe it imperative, if we are to properly comprehend the "esoteric" content of Isaiah and Peter's statements wherein reference is made to the "stripes" which were inflicted upon our Lord's physical body at the time of His crucifixion, we MUST carefully examine the context of the scriptural passages wherein this word appears to discover what is being stated.
Isaiah, as well as Peter, wrote to advise us that our Lord allowed sinful men to inflict many blows upon His physical body, however, none of this was done so that you and I, or any other, might receive "healings" of the physical sicknesses and diseases that might be inflicted upon our physical bodies. While hoping I don't come across as being ridiculous, I must state that such an interpretation of their words are absolutely ludicrous and altogether wrong!
Please note that In Isaiah's statement he is referring to "our transgressions," "our iniquities," and "our peace" (that is, our need for reconciliation to God); while Peter has written to advise us that our Lord was crucified because of "our sins." In other words, the "stripes," or physical beating, was all an integral part of the physical suffering He willingly underwent while sacrificing His physical body, and the subsequent shedding of His life's blood, as a token of atonement for "our sins."
Isaiah explicitly wrote that it was "with his stripes we are HEALED" of "our transgressions" and "our iniquities," whereas Peter wrote that it was "BY whose stripes" ye were HEALED" of "our sins." Neither made any mention whatsoever about our physical healing! Rather, the "stripes" (i.e., beatings) our Lord allowed sinful men to inflict upon His physical body at the time of His crucifixion was part and parcel of the physical suffering He willingly underwent to EFFECTUATE God's plan for the redemption of the souls of sinful mankind!
We do NOT gain or acquire "healings" for our physical ailments as a result of the "stripes" and physical beating our Lord received prior to His crucifixion, rather such is obtained through the power of His Name! This fact is made indisputably clear in our Lord's words recorded in Mark 16:17-18, to wit, "And these signs shall follow them that believe: IN MY NAME ... they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
An excellent example of this is seen when Peter took the hand of the lame man at the gate of the temple in Jerusalem and said, "In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk" (see Acts 3:1-8). Peter did NOT tell the lame man to "rise up and walk" because the Lord allowed Himself to suffer horrendous physical torture so that the likes of you could be HEALED!!
THERE IT IS! The reason many Christians are not healed: it is the preaching against
divine healing. We're talking New Testament, folks; and there are various modes of healing:
Authority to the Church
1)"...these signs shall follow them that believe...they shall lay hands on the sick..."; 2)"...is any sick...send for the elders of the Church..."'
Spiritual Gifts
3)"...the word of knowledge...": the Spirit reveals the problem to the Church, who
declares the problem to the recipient for...; 4) [I]"...faith..."[/I: the Spirit moves faith upon a member, who declares the healing; 5) "...gifts of healing...": the sick asks for healing, and the Spirit moves in a member to pray; 6)...working of miracles...; the Spirit moves on a member to pray for the sick.
Perhaps we have neglected this scripture: "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by
the word of God." If we HEAR the word, we receive faith; but if we hear a man, well...
I have been a witness to too many healings and miracles to deny the power of God...and I don't mean [TV] healings!
the spiritually dead might also be 'raised,' in a sense.
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