Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by CC1

I think 99.9% of people in general would look at you that way if you did that!

Perhaps being untethered from the Mothership will help MJ understand his preaching doesn't have to be performance based or done for response. Results is much better than response!

I remember when I was so desperate for spiritual excitment that this type preaching was ah...exciting. But now, I keep trying to catch the meat and heart of it, then it is over leaving me grasping!!!

Don't know MJ, maybe video is from "...a place far, far away...a long, long time ago..."

[Socialite]

I don't mind (sometimes) the preaching rhetoric that has been created by the Christian sub-culture, that includes cadence in the voice. There's definitely a time and place for that

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by CC1

LOL!!! I have a relative who is a UPC preacher. He is one of the finest men I have ever met. I have known him since he was just out of his teens. In person he is one of the most mild mannered easy going people you will ever meet.

Somehow I had managed to never hear him preach over the 15+ years he had been in the family then a few years ago that opportunity came up. Another relative came up to me and said "I have to warn you that not only is he a screamer but he doesn't even build up to it - he is hollaring from the first sentance of his sermon!". I was pretty surprised and thankful for the warning. Sure enough he came out of the gate screaming from the first word and ended the same way!

I have no doubt his preaching style is a result of the mentors he was around during the formative years of his ministry. He is not doing it for show, etc.

LOUD does not equal anointing! I want to hear what is said. Some seem to think that if you're not responding loudly to
their loud preaching, you're not WITH them or your getting TOO quite. If they've got something to say, I want to HEAR
it! If listening (quietly) hinders what a preacher has to say, it might be the anointing is missing. That might cause him/her
to feel inadequate! If the anointing of the LORD is there, there should be no need to feel inadequate, lacking or otherwise, just because people are listening quitely.

I remember a night, many years ago, our late pastor father called the church to prayer. He said, "In fact, that might be all we do tonight is have a good prayer meeting". In the midst of the prayer meeting, his backslidden son slipped in the door and came to the alter, knelt down and wept his way back to God. Our father and mother had wept and prayed for this brother, who was not living at home, single. He had become involved with friends, etc., that had not influenced him for good.

Just prior to our brother walking in the door, while down praying, another brother spoke and said, "That which you have prayed for, is nigh, even at the door! The door opened and in walked our brother who came and knelt at the alter.

Don't tell me it is all in a loud shout, loud speaking, or even talent! THE ANOINTING still breaks the yoke of bondage! Sincere, honest prayer is sorely needed today.

Falla39

[NorCal]

The only thing you can Preach is "The Gospel" unto the sinners. Everything else should be Teaching to the Saints. If you are not Preaching Salvation unto repentance, then slow down and teach the saints. Anointed teaching is better then "Preaching to the Choir".

[canam]

Originally Posted by Falla39

LOUD does not equal anointing! I want to hear what is said. Some seem to think that if you're not responding loudly to
their loud preaching, you're not WITH them or your getting TOO quite. If they've got something to say, I want to HEAR
it! If listening (quietly) hinders what a preacher has to say, it might be the anointing is missing. That might cause him/her
to feel inadequate! If the anointing of the LORD is there, there should be no need to feel inadequate, lacking or otherwise, just because people are listening quitely.

I remember a night, many years ago, our late pastor father called the church to prayer. He said, "In fact, that might be all we do tonight is have a good prayer meeting". In the midst of the prayer meeting, his backslidden son slipped in the door and came to the alter, knelt down and wept his way back to God. Our father and mother had wept and prayed for this brother, who was not living at home, single. He had become involved with friends, etc., that had not influenced him for good.

Just prior to our brother walking in the door, while down praying, another brother spoke and said, "That which you have prayed for, is nigh, even at the door! The door opened and in walked our brother who came and knelt at the alter.

Don't tell me it is all in a loud shout, loud speaking, or even talent! THE ANOINTING still breaks the yoke of bondage! Sincere, honest prayer is sorely needed today.

Falla39

PS how did i forget Bro Holmes Ill think of others !

[Falla39]

Bro. Holmes??

[Jay]

I enjoy listening to Bros. Booker and Coon as they preach and teach. I have heard Bro. Booker get excited and get to preaching with great energy.

My Pastor, who is also my father, does not does not raise his voice very often in his preaching, and not like some of the others, but he has the same anointing as those who do. There have been times when he has called out sin that there was no way that he could have known, or he has addressed issues that only the church he was in knew. There are many types and styles of teaching and preaching, and it takes all of them to make it.

[Jay]

I am very sad to see that Bro. Johnston has gone the way that he did. One of the last Youth Camps that I attended had him as the evening preacher. I still have somewhere the messages that he preached. I then heard him at the '07 conference and took much of what he had to say to heart. I must say that I feel that he has gone a long way from the anointing that he once had.

The UPCI is not moving quickly enough in the direction that many of the hard left in it desired to go. This could be why a number of them are also leaving. The leadership under Bro. Haney started to emphasize the standards after the vote, and the drift (while not checked) was slowed. I would imagine that one day the more moderate of the liberals that left will rejoin the UPC once it has drifted out to where they are more comfortable with it.

[canam]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Holmes??

Joel Holmes the one and only, one of the best !

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Jay

I am very sad to see that Bro. Johnston has gone the way that he did. One of the last Youth Camps that I attended had him as the evening preacher. I still have somewhere the messages that he preached. I then heard him at the '07 conference and took much of what he had to say to heart. I must say that I feel that he has gone a long way from the anointing that he once had.

The UPCI is not moving quickly enough in the direction that many of the hard left in it desired to go. This could be why a number of them are also leaving. The leadership under Bro. Haney started to emphasize the standards after the vote, and the drift (while not checked) was slowed. I would imagine that one day the more moderate of the liberals that left will rejoin the UPC once it has drifted out to where they are more comfortable with it.

How in the world would you "feel he has gone a long way from the annointing he once had"?????

That is a very presumptive statement. Has he lost his annointing just because he has left the UPC? By the word "feel" I assume you mean "think" and I am just trying to figure out how you would have enough knowledge to come to that conclusion.