Obama abortion ad

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by cneasttx

There are too many forms of birth control available to any woman for abortion to be an option.
We need more personal accountability and repsonsibility, and less abortion clinics and doctors willing to take lives of the unborn!
No matter who you vote for.

I fully agree.

On a side note...more can be done to combat abortion on the local level than at the Federal level.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The fact is if abortion is MURDER the woman is an accomplice. This isn't prostitution...we're talking what you call MURDER.

Again you refuse to understand the facts of legislation. The point is to eliminate abortion how can one who votes for those who ensure its longevity complain about women not being prosecuted for it?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Again you refuse to understand the facts of legislation. The point is to eliminate abortion how can one who votes for those who ensure its longevity complain about women not being prosecuted for it?

Oh great legislative one, please inform us little guys at the bottom why a woman should get by with murder seeing that you insist it's murder!

You betray your own morality. If it's murder she's an accomplice.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Oh great legislative one, please inform us little guys at the bottom why a woman should get by with murder seeing that you insist it's murder!

You betray your own morality. If it's murder she's an accomplice.

Thanks for finally acknowledging the gulf between us.

I don't betray any morality. My goal would be to reduce abortion as much as possible. Murder is a legal term, you are trying to use it as a moral term and then turn around and prosecute from a legal term of art. She cannot be an accomplice if the Legislation is written to protect her.

[Aquila]

Also, riddle me this Batman…. Are the laws you’re proposing to protect women or to codify the validity of the unborn’s right to live? Are these laws targeted at “protecting women” or at “protecting the unborn”? Because so far it seems to me that you still see the unborn as blobs of goo and the real effort is veiled in the assertion that you’re trying to “protect women”.

And if you really think these laws will reduce the abortion rate you're disconnected from reality. lol

[U376977]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You obviously missed the point. Abortion, war, crime, and the death penalty are just social evils that are going to be with us until Christ comes. We do well to minimize the damage done while maintaining a grip on the reality that these things aren't going to go away.

And the best way to do "minimize" the damage is to FIRST make it illegal.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Also, riddle me this Batman…. Are the laws you’re proposing to protect women or to codify the validity of the unborn’s right to live? Are these laws targeted at “protecting women” or at “protecting the unborn”? Because so far it seems to me that you still see the unborn as blobs of goo and the real effort is veiled in the assertion that you’re trying to “protect women”.

And if you really think these laws will reduce the abortion rate you're disconnected from reality. lol

You my friend are the one disconnected. The first post on this thread shows the threat pro-lifers are to dems.

I am not interested in a philosophical law, I am interested in one that works. By outlawing abortion and holding the Doctor responsible for the crime because it will damage the woman having the abortion has no less value than if you punished the women. By outlawing it and prosecuting doctors it would be protecting the unborn. If you are the one being protected you don't care who is punished to keep them from killing you.

You have to understand that to produce effective legislation you have to have legislation that is enforceable. I know this is a little over your head but try to grasp it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

You my friend are the one disconnected. The first post on this thread shows the threat pro-lifers are to dems.

I am not interested in a philosophical law, I am interested in one that works. By outlawing abortion and holding the Doctor responsible for the crime because it will damage the woman having the abortion has no less value than if you punished the women. By outlawing it and prosecuting doctors it would be protecting the unborn. If you are the one being protected you don't care who is punished to keep them from killing you.

You have to understand that to produce effective legislation you have to have legislation that is enforceable. I know this is a little over your head but try to grasp it.

Okay, I'll play your silly little game...

What goes into "prosecuting doctors"? What are they charged for and what are the penalties?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Okay, I'll play your silly little game...

What goes into "prosecuting doctors"? What are they charged for and what are the penalties?

As far as I am concerned loss of their medical license and 1 year behind bars would be sufficient.

[DividedThigh]

i believe manslaughter is 25 yrs as a fed statute, that would do just fine imho, dt