I don't think you can characterize those with that position as "Hawks". They actually are probably the moderate / liberal forces in the UPC seeing that the discord should not continue, that these discontented men should make a clean break from the UPC and go where their heart is.
Hawks is a political reference, CC1 .... it does not connote political ideology towards conservatism ... in any Presidential administration for example there will be those who push for more aggressive or pro-active actions ... they are often called hawks ... the doves would be those looking for a more peaceful or passive approach.
I really appreciate you clarifying that for me. I was under the impression you and he might have a negative history.
No m'am. I did interact w/ him when I served in Spanish Ministries (promotions) a little at some of the SEM national conferences ...
and he responded very kindly to my letter of resignation asking me to stay w/ the org... a few months after I transferred here from the NYMD to the Texas Southern District in 2006.
His influence in the org in the last decades cannot be ignored, however.
if db became the gs, that would not be a shocker to me, but what happens to jj, at that point, out to pasture, he aint that kind, least i dont think, lol,dt
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You mean I have to choose between the UPC and the NRA??????
Hard choice.
How will the UPC enforce this when the membership of the WPF has not yet been published? At Tulsa, there were only six members - the exec. council.
While they claim several hundred now, only they know the names. How will the UPC (at this point) know who carries more than one fellowship card???
Add it to the AS? "...and I do not carry any other cards".
The UPC leadership has not handled this well from the beginning, IMHO.
if db became the gs, that would not be a shocker to me, but what happens to jj, at that point, out to pasture, he aint that kind, least i dont think, lol,dt
DT, this is the wierdest thing.
JJ is a man who is well respected (and rightfully so) in the org. but at the same time, it seems he is kind of a forgotten element.
It seems his name always comes up, just somewhere in the bottom half of the names being mentioned.
It is odd to me but none the less, true.
I think he will likely always be a factor of some kind, but never the guy.
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I have a question for anyone who might have a serious or sensible answer... not for debate or ridicule...
Why would someone belong to both organizations at the same time?
For fellowshipping?
And, why would someone who was already looking at the WPF, for a preferred Apostolic future, be forced out by the UPCI making this decision?
Most likely if they were considering WPF they wouldn't be satisfied with the UPCI as it presently is.. and thus it wouldn't make much of a difference to whether they leave or stay.
I guess I'm thinking of how I would look at it, if I had a problem with the tv advertising etc.
This post makes sense to me.
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Hawks is a political reference, CC1 .... it does not connote political ideology towards conservatism ... in any Presidential administration for example there will be those who push for more aggressive or pro-active actions ... they are often called hawks ... the doves would be those looking for a more peaceful or passive approach.
In politics typically liberals are "dovish" and conservatives are "hawks" although within that paradigm there exists degrees of hawkishness or dovishness as in the last few years the "neo con" wing of the Republican party are more "hawkish" than some others in the party. I fully understand the meaning of the words Dan.
You mean I have to choose between the UPC and the NRA??????
Hard choice.
How will the UPC enforce this when the membership of the WPF has not yet been published? At Tulsa, there were only six members - the exec. council.
While they claim several hundred now, only they know the names. How will the UPC (at this point) know who carries more than one fellowship card???
Add it to the AS? "...and I do not carry any other cards".
The UPC leadership has not handled this well from the beginning, IMHO.
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Straightline, if there is any integrity at all with the men signing up with the WWPF, they will simply drop their UPCI affliliation based on this decision.
to a man, these guys have spoken loudly and often about the lack of integrity in the men who sign the Infernal Document but own Televisions.
I cannot see how a single one of these men can live with themselves if they violate the rule in the UPCI, considering their view of the UPCIs rules in the past.
and that is as straight a line as you can draw!
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