End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently an in order." (I Corinthians 14:26-33, 36-40, KJV)

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Some people say, Sister Alvear, we believe I Cor. 14:34, 35 exactly like it reads, I wonder why they don’t believe Acts 4:34, 35; Acts 5:1 exactly like it reads? Acts 4:34-35, Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Acts 5:1, But a certain man named Ananias, with Saphira his wife, sold possession. Some one said they believed literally just as the Scripture was written well, I said it says except a man be born again of the water and spirit... does this exclude women? Of course not!

LOL - Did you not read where I already specifically addressed this copy-paste job about 70 pages ago ?


All you are doing now is attempting to claim the high ground of victory by continuing to copy-paste the same ol' material that has been categorically refuted (such as with the paste job above) over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over.....& over .


School-ground antics. You are only hurting your self now (I received another contact today by yet another preacher stating the same thing). Sad.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

1 Corinthians 11.2–11, Paul talks about "And any woman who prays or prophecies (proclaims God's message) in public worship with nothing on her head disgraces her husband" - instructions which indicate that they did pray and proclaim God's message in public worship - and he doesn't forbid them to do that, just tells them how to dress. Do you honestly think Paul would have told a woman how to dress, not to cut her hair so she could speak in church and then turn right around and say, Shut up…?

Ummm, for about the 100th time - Prophecy is not a sermon from the Scriptures. Never has been & never will be (shall I "copy-paste" the lexical data again for ya'?) !

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

NEVER in a million years would I teach a woman to go against her husband...never...I have taught my women in Brazil over and over this fact....However to say a woman cannot be used to speak God's word is beyond me...When the very first person He told to go and tell was a woman....

Ummm, you've got it exactly opposite - "to say a woman CAN be used to speak God's word to men in the church is beyond me" - It was the Apostle Paul who explicitly forbid it !

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently an in order." (I Corinthians 14:26-33, 36-40, KJV)

Exactly!


Such as: "Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says."


The clear inference is that women who violate this edict are not "submissive" - which this thread has well demonstrated !

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Once again...
Everyone should witness and seek to be used in the gifts of the Spirit. The leading of the church, the teaching and preaching - feeding God's flock is the role of a man. The fact that so many women cannot understand that basic fundamental fact is an object lesson in why women should not be allowed to do so. The feeding of the flock is to the elders (Acts 20:17; 28). These elders are the bishops that were the husbands of one wife.

To take this logic would mean that no one needs a shepherd because they can all teach some body some thing. It is this spirit precisely that Got Miriam and Aaron into trouble.

And once again, you speak out of both sides of your mouth. It seems to be a matter of semantics, really. You say women can't teach, but they can witness, which is really teaching, you just call it something else to prove your point. Women can teach men as long as they don't do it behind a pulpit (something Paul NEVER said), women teaching men is usurping their authority (something else Paul NEVER said), and 'usurping authority' can be passively done.

Let's look at the definition, shall we?


u·surp
[yoo-surp, -zurp]
verb (used with object)
1.
to seize and hold (a position, office, power, etc.) by force or without legal right: The pretender tried to usurp the throne.
2.
to use without authority or right; employ wrongfully: The magazine usurped copyrighted material.
verb (used without object)
3.
to commit forcible or illegal seizure of an office, power, etc.; encroach.

Remember, we are talking about a woman simply teaching a man something. It's impossible for anyone to have authority over you in a teaching capacity without your permission. Impossible.

If you don't want to be taught anything by a woman, that's your right (although I'm not sure how you can have a successful and peaceful marriage if you don't allow your wife to teach you anything because you believe that in doing so, she is usurping your authority), and you can leave at any time, but if you choose to stay, there is no usurpation of authority taking place. You allow her that authority because you want to be taught.

In spite of what you think Paul was saying, there is nothing wrong with a man being taught anything by a woman, whether or not it's his wife or mother. I teach men things all the time. No, I'm not behind a pulpit nor do I have to be, but if they want to know something that I know, they need to listen. If they choose not to, that's their right, but they can't complain later and have no one else to blame.

Taking a verse out of context and believing that women shouldn't teach men because Jezebel incorrectly taught men is no different than believing black men should remain slaves because Philemon was one.

Funny...women can lead a church into song, she just can't speak it without music or she's 'usurping authority' over every man in the audience.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

It is called the Bible. My calling includes defending doctrine. Don't you women have anything better to do than try to act like a man?

What I'm doing is acting like a man? I know you were attempting to be degrading to me, but comparing me to acting like a man is actually degrading to men, isn't it?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

If you are referring to the post concerning Apollos, the synagogue has everything to do with it. Its called context. Apollos was at the synagogue and this is where Aquila and Priscilla saw him. AFTERWARDS they spoke with him. See that? Priscilla was not a leader of the synagogue. Indeed she could NOT be. This husband and wife met with Apollos privately - it was not a church service where Priscilla had stepped out of the created order and was teaching Apollos. THEY were witnessing to him.

The difference that seems to elude so many is the difference between a formal teaching event characterized by the assembly of the body and a private moment between people. The difference between a pastor teaching and people witnessing. The elders are to feed the flock, that is with the word of God. Those elders, by qualification, are men.

Was Apollos a leader of the synagogue? And where do you get your ideas above? Paul never said any of those things....that witnessing had to be done outside of the synagogue and there is a difference in formal teaching and private moments with teaching. Sounds pretty silly to say that it's ok for me to privately teach a man about the word of God, but I can't do it in a church.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I have documented over and over...

The elders were called upon to feed the flock of God (Acts 20). There is a difference between a pastor teaching and people witnessing. To ignore this is to assume no one needs a pastor after all doesn't God speak to everyone? It is precisely this spirit that got Miriam and Aaron in trouble.

No, you have Paul saying women are to be silent in church. Where does Paul say it's ok for women to teach men outside the synagogue? Chapter and verse, not your interpretation of something in Moses' day.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Dear Sister Alvear

You just keep on doing your ministry, there will always be those who you can not please or make peace with, unless you are willing to do exactly as they say.

They have an imperious attitude, that if you do not believe exactly as they do, you are not even saved.

They are not willing to go to Brazil and minister to the lost yet they weaken the hands of those who do.

Do not worry, just keep on ministering and following Jesus.
We are all sinners saved by grace, and none of us is perfect or have perfect theology.

Amen.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by rdp

Exactly!


Such as: "Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says."


The clear inference is that women who violate this edict are not "submissive" - which this thread has well demonstrated !

Do you know why he said for women to be silent? It has nothing to do with teaching. They were asking questions out loud. This was new for them to be in service. Used to be only men.