What Difference Does it Make?? Is this Forum REALLY APOSTOLIC?????

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

lol. That's not me, man. I'm not white... so I can't answer the question. lol It was a random google image.

É você portuguese?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

É você portuguese?

I think Berk is a Latin American (what is the PC description now?)

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I was speaking with a friend yesterday telling him about this forum, then I received a PM from another friend lamenting about what this community has become.

I am kind of frustrated at a couple of things.

There seems to be somewhat of a silent exodus from this forum of men and ladies that once carried the water in our other forums.

In PMs and such, there is a consistent line throughout their reasoning that "they have had enough of shallow talk, the piling on, unaccountibility, blasting people instead of issues, etc. In addition, this person told me that he/she feels the deeper thinking posts/threads are ignored. Some have said this forum is getting worse than NFCF or FCF on their worst of days.

I am not sure I agree, but that is the point nevertheless.

We are quick to say "So Long" to these people and it is sad. On the other hand the forum is only as good and has as much quality as people are willing to offer.

I have one question...in the mission statement of this forum it implies that folks here are Apostolic. Given some of what I have seen and read...I am seriously questioning if this is indeed true.

I have been on numerous forums, of many different persuasions, and I can honestly say that I have only seen the nFCF syndrome on FCF (towards its end), nFCF, and apparently here on AFF as well.

Nowhere else.

Which inclines me to notice two things...

1. The problem is one of massive insecurity about the forum's identity. If the forum were a single individual, it would be characterized as being in the midst of a massive identity crisis.

2. The problem is not about "the forum", but is a reflection of the issues of the people on the forum. A forum is nothing else but a collection of people who interact.

As a result, look at the interaction... the FCF/nFCF/AFF crowd seems to ALWAYS have this interpersonal issue going on...

And the question seems to be always... "what exactly is our purpose, who are we, what are we, where are we going with this thing... and why are you looking at me! I'm telling!!!"

So I see this forum as suffering from low self esteem, an identity crisis, and a juvenile need to make petty attacks on one another...

Which of course is simply a reflection of the membership, as a forum is nothing but the members who comprise it...

So in other words, there are a lot of people with major issues who get together... and voila, this is the result...

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

As a result, look at the interaction... the FCF/nFCF/AFF crowd seems to ALWAYS have this interpersonal issue going on...

And the question seems to be always... "what exactly is our purpose, who are we, what are we, where are we going with this thing... and why are you looking at me! I'm telling!!!"

So I see this forum as suffering from low self esteem, an identity crisis, and a juvenile need to make petty attacks on one another...

Which of course is simply a reflection of the membership, as a forum is nothing but the members who comprise it...

So in other words, there are a lot of people with major issues who get together... and voila, this is the result...

The "All About Me" Syndrome prevails.

How would YOU solve it?

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The "All About Me" Syndrome prevails.

How would YOU solve it?

I cannot solve someone else's problems.

Otherwise, the world would be a very different place.

[rgcraig]

Or maybe so many are use to fitting everything inside a square box and can't deal with the fact that the box has an outside to it and everything might not have to fit neatly into the box.

[Carpenter]

Of course the forum is only as good as its parts but I think it has become a little more pedestrian. That means that folks are bouncing here and there, not spending or taking the time to assemble an intelligent thought.

I am not saying it is good or bad, I do it. But I do lament at times that I did not put a little more effort reading or writing my opinion. Instead I have reduced important issues down to soundbites and clever little phrases.

If you can't have an identity at least you can be a character.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

From the statistics here: I would compare AFF with the Gladiator sport of Roman times when the bloodletting was a sport and man came to watch and cheer the death of a warrior!




My thread got very little attention when it was doing what it was posted to do, entertain and give advice that might help someone on their way...what it was turned into by others:


Coonskinner, RRFORD, Chan, and the hanger's on...was a place to accuse Rhoni of:
#1. Hiding past sins in her life
#2. Using the forum to promote her ministry
#3. Incite rebellion
#4. To bash preachers [when the only one getting bashed was Rhoni]
#5. To discredit my life, my ministry, my profession
This is what got the most attention...the fact men could intimidate, invalidate, destroy reputation of a woman trying her best to live and love God.


This forum could have intelligent and stimulating conversation but the holiest of us all are such as have posted these awful things. They have disrupted the flow of conversations, riddled threads with their judgments, accusations, and their holier than thou attitudes...and then we have Malvaro getting out the buttered popcorn to watch. Many too afraid to come to my defense and those that did...afraid to post more because they too will get bashed.


If I knew how to post all the different posts and line them up for others to look at...I would...but as it is...go to the Dear Rhoni thread and read it for yourself...if you haven't already.


This is what AFF has come to...and who is the one to blame? The spirit of the devil which many give in to in the name of righteousess...

Sorry you had to go through that Rhoni. People said that type of behavior was not going to happen here. Oh well...

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

I think Berk is a Latin American (what is the PC description now?)

I would beat you like a dead horse!!

My fathers family came to CA from Mexico. (that is something that I rarely share) Moms family [both sides] has deep roots in Texas. And before settling Texas, a generation or 2 resided in Mexico.
Now, one of moms parents has roots from Spain and Germany. (what a weird combo)
The other has roots from Spain and France.
We suspect there is also a Portugal influence. Problem with that is, our history is handed down orally, like the stiff necked Jews. One of my aunts is researching our history. I hope she completes it before she passes.

And me, well, I'm a white guy in a Hispanic guys body. I have noticed with age, I have embraced more of my 'culture.'

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Or maybe so many are use to fitting everything inside a square box and can't deal with the fact that the box has an outside to it and everything might not have to fit neatly into the box.

Well, that's a way to put it!