<<<BREAKING>>> Over 200 Preachers reported to be leaving UPC! - Page 11

Dora · #**101** 09-28-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

Dora really that was a little insensitive. i was just kidding around when i started the "by by kansas" thread and really caught grief for it not realizing that there's a lot of soberness and grief right now

I was just wondering if anyone was expressing that sentiment at GC.

tv1a · #**102** 09-28-2007, 07:31 PM

Lose 200 preachers who want to keep their lights under a candle? A possible church the stature of Promiseland? Good trade.

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Originally Posted by Thad

Fantastic????? oMG!

NEWMAN thinks it's fantastic that 200 preachers may be leaving

tv1a · #**103** 09-28-2007, 07:38 PM

The fatal flaw in your argument is you are assuming everyone who desires to produce a telveision program wants to be on TBN or any other religious network. The facts bear out there are few national programs compared to regional, even local status. There is no doctrinal statement to sign for local network television or cable access stations.

In Columbus OH there are DOZENS of religious preachers on telvision every week. I have seen only TWO with programs on a national scale. I'm sure that statistic can be backed up in other major cities across the United States.

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

We stand in agreement then. Up to this point we have coexisted as it was not 'flaunted' in the face of what they call 'three steppers'. What may well happen to SOME (NOTE: I said 'some' and not 'all') with this new TV development will be a blatant disregard for doctrine (for various reasons like popularity, ratings, contracts) and it will explode huge.

Again, yes... I really believe it will happen in time now.

Newman · #**104** 09-28-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

Fantastic????? oMG!

NEWMAN thinks it's fantastic that 200 preachers may be leaving

Hey Thad! They are not leaving the faith. They are merely free to concentrate on the main thing now instead of fighting politics in an organization that wasn't working for them the way they wanted it to.

I hope and pray they flourish. Those that need the kind of structure they provide can get it. In the mean time, those of a more liberal persuasion can put some of their ideas into practice. And we shall see.

The Jerusalem Church and the Antioch Church ministered to two very different groups of people; and so it shall be. God is good.

Sam · #**105** 09-28-2007, 07:55 PM

The Carthage Apostolic Church (ALJC) pastored by Bro. Joe David Sizemore had a tv broadcast for a few years some time back. I don't remember how long it was on tv or just what years they were. I was not going there at the time. I don't know if they had any new people come in through the program or not.

Nothing was compromised. They taped services and then edited them down to run in an hour or half hour (don't remember) on local cable. They would include the sermon and maybe a song or two. I watched several programs. When Bro. Baxter taught there for three nights they later showed at least one of his messages. It was his message on the one world church and he made a very strong point that he could not be in it because he believed in baptism in Jesus' name and the world church used the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost formula.

Back quite a few years ago they had a short radio program on a local station. They used music recorded from the services or records (anybody remember phonograph records). I preached on it only one time and used the text "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?" Again, I don't know if they had any new people that they could say came in because of the radio broadcast.

stmatthew · #**106** 09-28-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

Matt,

I have first hand knowledge of KH telling and correcting the likes of Mark Hanby and others who have gone that way, and KH telling them that they (Hanby, Munsey) don't believe anything and that their lack of sound doctrine is wrong.

I don't know why you are fixiated on this, maybe because your history isn't UPC but this is an old issue and many in the old days of the Organization believed that God was ultimately the judge and not put someone in hell just because they haven't received the whole package.

Keith,

My post was NOT concerning KH. Sorry but if Goss could look Carl Ballestero in the eye and tell him that the Baptists were his brothers, and would be in heaven with him, then MOST PCI types and those of that persuasion CAN mingle with trinitarians and accept them as "brothers", saved, yet needing more light to come into the "full gospel message" we call "truth".

tv1a · #**107** 09-28-2007, 10:02 PM

According to scriptural precedence, a person can be considered brother before completing the new birth... Saul of Tarsus was called a brother before he his toes hit the water or uttered a syllable in tongues. Epley call EB a brother in one breath and in another says EB believes a ''Damnable Heresy". It happens all the time. It a question of what we excuse and what we don't.

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Keith,

My post was NOT concerning KH. Sorry but if Goss could look Carl Ballestero in the eye and tell him that the Baptists were his brothers, and would be in heaven with him, then MOST PCI types and those of that persuasion CAN mingle with trinitarians and accept them as "brothers", saved, yet needing more light to come into the "full gospel message" we call "truth".

stmatthew · #**108** 09-28-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

According to scriptural precedence, a person can be considered brother before completing the new birth... Saul of Tarsus was called a brother before he his toes hit the water or uttered a syllable in tongues. Epley call EB a brother in one breath and in another says EB believes a ''Damnable Heresy". It happens all the time. It a question of what we excuse and what we don't.

It is a possibility that Ananias was calling Paul "Brother" through nationality, and not because he was "born again". But this is a rabbit trail that I am not going down. Keith simply thought I was rehashing an earlier discussion, and was fixated on KH, but I did not even have him in my thoughts when I wrote the post.

tv1a · #**109** 09-28-2007, 10:30 PM

The same Greek word is used to describe Paul status in the kingdom of God is the same Greek word for brother for Titus, a gentile in II Corinthians 2:13.

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

It is a possibility that Ananias was calling Paul "Brother" through nationality, and not because he was "born again". But this is a rabbit trail that I am not going down. Keith simply thought I was rehashing an earlier discussion, and was fixated on KH, but I did not even have him in my thoughts when I wrote the post.

stmatthew · #**110** 09-28-2007, 10:41 PM

It is also the same word used when Paul states to "Greet the brethren", and also the same word when Paul states:

Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

It is an interchangeable word and could and does mean either throughout scripture. Honestly, it is not enough to make a doctrine out of. But now you got me going down the bunny trail.