Romney VP Pick Today 9AM

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

If we keep going down the moderate, status quo road you advocate, nothing changes and nothing has.

If every conservative embraced your unreasonable approach to politics everything is going to change for sure! Unfortunately it won't change for something that we can live with, we're looking at a completely different America. Your attitude was the same as some in 2008 and look at the damage done in four years. You make this election about Romney. That's a huge mistake. It's about Obama and his radical worldview.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Si, Se Puede, It is about breaking the corruption in our own party. That may not be important to you, but it is to many others.

Let's take of Eric and Dylan shooting up the school first. Then we can take care of smoking in the boys room.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I find it interesting how many people act as if this carnival sideshow called 'the election' reflects actual political reality.
[rant on]
Myth: Hey, you gotta get out and vote for So-And-So, he's the dude with the tude who's gonna save America! Or at least help the country out...

Truth: YOU don't vote for President. The Electoral College does. The media and ALL political parties (including the Dems, the Repubs, the Libertarians, et al) promote this absolute driveling nonsensical farce of a LIE that the popular vote determines something more than jack diddly. The constitution is CLEAR, the reality of the election process is clear, and yet the parties and the media continue to push this delusion that the popular vote determines something of any real importance.

Myth: Obama is a socialist and Romney the Republican is the CLEAR CHOICE for heading off the Obamacalypse.

Truth: Obama is a statist, who supports big government. Romney is a statist who supports big government. Look at Massachusetts and Romney's 'resume' and you call that a 'clear alternative' to Obama? HAHAHA. Obamacare? It's nationwide Romneycare. Obama wants to take your guns? Romney already did in Massachusetts. Obama is pro-abortion? Romney is too. Obama is pro-sodomite marriage? Romney (while serving with the Boy Scouts, USA) opined that the BSA ought to let sodomites have access to your children. There is no SUBSTANTIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN the big-government Democrats and the big-government Republicans as far as what they ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH - which is BIGGER GOVERNMENT, every single term.

Myth: Ryan is energizing the Tea Party anti-establishment conservatives, because he is anti-establishment conservative! Ryan is small-government conservatism made flesh!

Truth: Ryan voted FOR the bailouts. THAT AND THAT ALONE disqualifies him as ANYTHING other than a big-government statist. He voted to sell OUR GRANDCHILDREN'S GRANDCHILDREN into financial debt servitude to make sure the banks got as much of the American pie as possible. He voted FOR the NDAA '12 which allows for indefinite detention of American citizens IN CONUS on mere 'suspicion', allows them to be handed over the military, and 'renditioned' anywhere in the world. Which, for those who care, is all ILLEGAL under the constitition. Ryan is a statist. Romney is a statist. Obama is a statist.

Arguing about Obama vs Romney, or Democrat vs Republican, is like arguing Hitler vs Stalin, or Lenin vs Trotsky, or Mao vs Mussolini.

A statist is as a statist does.

IN SPITE OF how sweet they all talk (boy, they sure know how to SOUND like what you want to hear) they all result in the same thing - MORE government control of private lives, more regulation of commerce, more taxation in the long run, more police state, more government power, less freedom, less privacy, less LIBERTY.

[rant off]

Thank you for listening, we have some nice parting gifts for you all. Ya'll come back, now, ya hear!

We appreciate you adding nothing bit utter hopelessness to the debate. Thank you.

With Obama we KNOW what we're going to get. He is beholden to NOTHING remotely conservative. And unlike Clinton, he DOESNT CARE to move to the center to at least give piecemeal nods to conservative ideals.

With Romney/Ryan there is at least a better than ZERO chance for something conservative and honoring of the Constitution. As Republicans they know they cant get reelected without the right wing of the party. They will AT LEAST have to be conscious of their conservative base or risk a significant third party movement in the midterms or in 2016 and forever lose their ability to be a majority party.

That doesn't sound like much to hang on to but that's better than giving up altogether which it appears you have done.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

My wife always asks me why I go round and round with people whose minds will never be changed. I tell her that there are a lot of people who read and never post, and if I cam convince one person to vote to keep Obama from the Oval Office another four years, it's worth it. When posters like PO, DM and others paint this election in a different light, I also want to counter the misinformation or the lack of perspective that their posts contain. "if I can help somebody as I pass along...my living shall not be in vain."

You are 100% correct. This is a monumental election. Think about Obamacare for example. Obamacare did not have a majority of support in Congress. There weren't enough Democrats willing to vote for it. But Team Obama pulled a fast Chicago style behind closed doors bribery---Cornhusker Kickback with Senator Ben Nelson and the Lousisana Purchase with Senator Mary Landrieu under the cloak of secrecy. Then there a dozen pro-life Democrats in the House who opposed the abortion provisions in the bill. The final holdout, Bart Stupak of MI, was promised an executive order from President Obama that would prevent federal dollars from funding abortions in Obamacare that was later disavowed by Debbie Wasserman Schultz as meaningless because Obamacare was the law of the land.

The result was a historic midterm election in 2010 that saw the largest turnaround in an opposition party shift. Obama was willing to risk losing power in Congress for this giant power grab. He was willing to lose the House and Senate to fundamentally change America and our freedom to choose our own means of healthcare. Willing to go to those lengths, shady, politically costly and publicly shameful because he knew that America would forever be changed in a more socialistic, liberal way than ever before.

What lengths will he go with four more years and zero fear of not being reelected, with nothing holding him back to implement his vision of a Western European-style socialist state diminishing America's economic strength and influence in the world for freedom and democracy?

This election IS pivotal. Our economy is on an unsustainable path and the only plan Obama can offer is some token promises to cut spending but definite promises to raise taxes on job creators, with no real plan to create jobs (we get the usual "schools, bridges, roads, firemen and police" mantra---but how does that grow the economy?) and basically the plan is keep the status quo WHICH IS A GUARANTEE FOR FAILURE!

It's like being told that the bridge is out and the train is headed for a wreck and saying, "Conductor Romney plans to cut the amount of coal in the coal car!" What? We are headed for total bankruptcy and a Great Depression like we've never seen---and all Obama can offer is demagoguery!!! NO PLAN IS A PLAN!

But that dastardly Romney passes out subs at his rallies!!!!! Western civilization is on the brink!!!!!

Deacon, please keep posting. You make sense, while some others on here are so far out and, (please forgive me), post such stupidity. I can't believe some of the asinine statements that are made by 2 or 3. Obama's no good (well they don't really say it that way), Romney is the worst thing in the world, sooooo, how would you fix it yourself if neither Obama nor Romney please you. If you don't know what Obama has done in the past 4 years and can't figure out what he will do in the next 4 years..... well you make my point above, and I won't say it again. What will Romney do? Well you seem to have been willing to give Obama a chance and willing to give him another chance after seeing who he really is! What gives ????????????? Why not get behind Romney and at least give him and Ryan a chance. You know what Obama is!

Again, the ones that I'm speaking of, (and you know who you are), WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER? You seem to think you know it all....please share an answer to the problem then!

Been Thinkin

[aegsm76]

Earth to PO

When DM starts praising your political posts, it is time to reconsider your positions.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Si, Se Puede, It is about breaking the corruption in our own party. That may not be important to you, but it is to many others.

So you are so concerned about corruption in the Republican party you are willing to tackle that while ignoring a socialist Democrat ruining the entire country? If you had your way you would throw the election to Obama. That is beyond belief.

Makes no sense. Have your little hissy fit some other election cycle. This one is too important.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Earth to PO

When DM starts praising your political posts, it is time to reconsider your positions.

LOL!!!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by CC1

... Romney at his worst is so many times better than Obama at his best...

yes

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

If every conservative embraced your unreasonable approach to politics everything is going to change for sure! Unfortunately it won't change for something that we can live with, we're looking at a completely different America. Your attitude was the same as some in 2008 and look at the damage done in four years. You make this election about Romney. That's a huge mistake. It's about Obama and his radical worldview.

Palin came across as an air-head in many of her interviews. That is what happened in 2008. You won't see the same scenario with Paul Ryan.

The election is not only about the incumbent, but the presumed nominee and his background as well. We have a man who can make two stands in one sentence, i.e. "I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue. I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." How convoluted is that? lol Perry, although not articulating his words well was right, "He was for it before he was against it."

I am listening to what you are saying and I do understand your fear. I don't happen to share it.

You may not agree with some of the things that Esaias said, but he had a very good point - "After the betrayal by the 'conservative freshmen Representatives' *I* helped elect in 2010..." That has been a discussion that even your favorite show, Fox News, has picked up - how the Freshman have been infiltrated and walked away from their conservative promises. You can look at the scorecard by Club for Growth to see how their tea party fiscal responsibility promises have proven empty.

You will see, in days to come, Paul Ryan's, not so conservative record, being highlighted. There is an honest discussion to be had. As has been written - Don't act like the Liberals as though your dogs do not have fleas.

I would also like to point out that even when you and CC1 are acting like Beavis' brother (), I have never been irritated or angry at either of you. Although, you both have come across as rude, condescending and angry in your comments. I think that is a shame.

Now, go and rub Romney's belly, he is going to be the answer to all of your dreams and give you all kinds of miracles.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Earth to PO

When DM starts praising your political posts, it is time to reconsider your positions.

I'm sure he only appreciates that I don't stand here with an imaginary magic lamp declaring that when I rub that thing, a Genie will pop out and perform miracles for me.