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StillStanding · #**101** 02-10-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

This wasn't asked of me but I'll chime in.

Some of our elders taught that the triune or three-one God has a triune or three-one name. As Father He is called Lord; as Son He is called Jesus; and as Holy Ghost He is called Christ, therefore God's compound name is "Lord Jesus Christ." I personally do not believe that. It is my opinion that the one name shared by the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is Jesus or Yeshua which means JHWH-Savior. Since there are several people called Jesus in our New Testament (including Joshua the successor of Moses) I believe it is best to say "Jesus Christ" to show plainly that you are speaking of Jesus the Christ/Messiah and not some other Jesus (but I'm sure God would know which Jesus you were referencing if you left off "Christ").

Does Jesus know that you are referring to him when you baptize in the titles?

Sister Alvear · #**102** 02-10-2010, 07:32 PM

wow...we have got of the title of this thread....ha..

TroubleMaker · #**103** 02-10-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

I guess the point Im making thats being overlooked is the words "in name of" Thats the real issue of it all. What is that "name" ? Dont matter if it says of the Father , Son, Holy Spirit, Lord..... what is the name. Thats the point the Bible makes over and over again. Whats the "name" they are baptizing in ? Jesus. So ....

This entire issue is really very simple. It's not about words that are said when someone is submerged in water. "In the name of..." is all about authority. If one were to say, "In the name of the King", it would be clear one would have the authority for his actions. If the King's name were Herbert the 23rd, one could say, "In the name of Herbert the 23rd." Either way, one would be acting on the authority of the king and the hearer of the words would have no doubt who is being referred to.

This whole debate about what to recite when someone is dunked in water, is really ridiculous. Say whatever you like when you baptize. You are acting on the authority of Jesus. That's what matters.

TroubleMaker · #**104** 02-10-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

wow...we have got of the title of this thread....ha..

So what was it you were saying?

I appreciated your original thoughts and sentiments.

Hoovie · #**105** 02-10-2010, 08:55 PM

Trouble, that's true in part I think.

What makes it true is knowing that the recipient of baptism really is calling on the name of Jesus for forgiveness himself. If that's the case then the words spoken by any third party becomes something of an important secondary issue. I say important, because I can't imagine anything related to initiation into the Body of Christ being unimportant. Even as a formality for clarity it's a good practice to invoke the name of the Lord at baptism.

Sherri · #**106** 02-10-2010, 09:26 PM

Hoovie, that is one handsome young man you're holding!!!

Hoovie · #**107** 02-10-2010, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri

Hoovie, that is one handsome young man you're holding!!!

You noticed too??

He is a keeper for sure!

Sister Alvear · #**108** 02-11-2010, 01:49 AM

Just send him on to brazil and we will teach him portuguese...

n david · #**109** 02-11-2010, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

And Matthew 28:19 is just as plain. I'm just saying, it's not fair to say, "No one in the bible was ever baptized in the name of the Father....etc." It is equally as true that no one ever baptized anyone by saying, "In the name of Jesus."

Scotty posted scripture but it was irrelevant. I could post Obadiah 8:32, but it wouldn't matter.

Look, I would hope that everyone could admit that biblical baptismal formulas are ambiguous at best. I cannot believe that Moody, Spurgeon, Luther, Moody Bible Institute, Dallas Theological Seminary, on and on and on, are complete idiots. They got their way of baptizing from somewhere and MT 28:19 shouldn't be ignored or explained away. If you wanna baptize by saying, "In Jesus name", I respect your position. But I believe there is no greater complete way to baptize someone in the name of Jesus, than to say, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."

BUT....would you contend that anyone that I baptize that way is absolutely lost because of it? And try not to resort to the standard, "I'll let God decide that" answer.

In Matthew 28:19 Jesus is speaking to His disciples. Men who knew, especially Peter, who the name of the titles was. They knew Jesus was not just a prophet, but the son of God.

Peter was speaking to non-believers in Acts 2. Men who did not know who the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were. And Peter made it clear and gave them which name the titles were for when he said they must be baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ.

You can put your fingers in your earholes, yell at the top of your lungs, live up to your screen name and ignore the fact and reality, but it is what it is.

StillStanding · #**110** 02-11-2010, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

..... It's the power and authority of the name that's applied that makes the difference.

I believe it's the authority BEHIND the name that makes the difference; not the authority of the name itself. BTW, I believe baptism saying "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" is the most accurate, but not the magic formula.