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Old 07-17-2009, 10:02 AM
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Newman Esther and others. We are scared. Should be scared. we raise honest issues. If resolved unsuccessfully, Obama is kicked to the curb and we get biden. Even more troublesome and ignorant. If his brain lesion flared up, something happened, we have Nancy Pelosi up front.
Obama is both crooked and has a criminal history without apparent convictions. He has no competence for backup. At least Mccain did.

We are dangerously well aware that Obama is trouble and his backups are horrible in different ways.
Abortion is the Devils favorite wedge. His party pushes abortion.
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:11 AM
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So roadie and Newman, what is it exactly that you all are questioning specifically that would invalidate Barack Obama's birth certificate? What seems suspect to you?
Stupid question. There has been no authentic hospital generated birth certificate offered to be shown as valid or invalid.

The foolish defenders of Obama know he has ordered the hospitals to not cooperate.
You can't seem to get your head around the fact that any one in 1961 can send info to the state and have a birth recorded by The State of hawaaii. You also can't get hour head around the fact that no official has said that the documentent we see on the web was authenticated by the state. There has been no official coment other than they can't release documents without consent.
You just hate on President Bush to justify abortion. In counseling it is called partitioning. You support something bad by justifying it as rejecting someone that is much worse.

You are easy to read.

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Old 07-17-2009, 10:41 AM
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All of this matters because President Obama has still not provided simple, incontrovertible proof of his exact birthplace. That information would be included on his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate which Obama has steadfastly refused to release amid a flurry of conflicting reports.
The application to get your birth certificate from Hawaii does not have an option for a short form or a long form. He had to take whatever they sent him, which is the one he has released.

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WND has reported that just within the last week, at least two reports have cited Obama's birth in Kenya. Wikipedia also was found to have been reporting on Obama's birth in Kenya, before a series of scrubs placed his birth in Honolulu.
From what sources?
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That came on the heels of several online information sites changing the president's supposed birthplace from one hospital in Hawaii to another, after WND broke the news of the letter said to be from the White House.
A simple mistake, one which has been corrected.
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WND has yet to be able to identify any physician or medical attendant present at Kapi'olani in 1961 who can recall Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, giving birth to Barack Obama at the hospital or who can identify the name of the attending physician.
While not a teacher, she does remember the birth:
http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html

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Now the Department of Defense has allegedly compelled a private employer to fire a U.S. Army Reserve major from his civilian job after he had his military deployment orders revoked for arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.
Allegedly being the key word, since there is no factual evidence of this.
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IF I say again IF he really was born in the states I believe he would have gladly shown proof of such, and I am truly amazed the Congress has not demanded proof.
He has shown proof. It was sufficient enough for the presidential election vetting process.

Besides that, as unbiased as the conspiracy minority may think WND is, I counted 9 stories questioning Obama's birth on the homepage, all right near the top. If a site consistently pushes an agenda like that, it is not unbiased. Perhaps there are no other sources?

A side note, does anyone have any information on the official vetting process for presidential candidates? I have to imagine it is intensive, but I have not found the actual process outlined anywhere.
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:50 AM
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PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities
Whereas, by requirement of the United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, no one can be sworn into office as president of the United States without being a natural born citizen;

Whereas, there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims;

Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery;
Whereas, lawsuits filed in several states seeking only proof of the basic minimal standard of eligibility have been rebuffed;

Whereas, Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii;
Whereas, concerns that our government is not taking this constitutional question seriously will result in diminished confidence in our system of free and fair elections;

Twisp is not grasping the issues. Blind cult following causes people to subconsciously disregard issues.

Snopes lied Obama lied. Time for evidence under the rule of law.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:01 AM
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Obama lied. He posted his place of birth in Queens hospital. snopes got it from Obama's web page. Now in comes out as a different hospital. It is not a mistake. It is a lie. It was intentional. It came up last summer that Obama's half sister mentioned a different hospital than Obama. There are no laws requiring vetting. Parties do their own. The lack of vetting by the Democrats on their own candidates is where the problem lies.

Democrats tried to investigate Joe the Plumber and an illegal move cost one of their own a job.

WND shows a saved picture from barackobama.com that showed obama born at Queens

People that knowing repeat lies supoport lying.

Again, Obama posted a lie and his loyal defenders say it was a mistake and do not say it is a lie. Lyijng is a mistake. Mistakes are not all lies.

"Organizing for america"
The man is loaded with slogans.

Blind loyalty. People defend dishonesty if it is coupled with people they are fond of.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:06 AM
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Obama lied. He posted his place of birth in Queens hospital. snopes got it from Obama's web page. Now in comes out as a different hospital. It is not a mistake. It is a lie. It was intentional. It came up last summer that Obama's half sister mentioned a different hospital than Obama. There are no laws requiring vetting. Parties do their own. The lack of vetting by the Democrats on their own candidates is where the problem lies.

Democrats tried to investigate Joe the Plumber and an illegal move cost one of their own a job.

WND shows a saved picture from barackobama.com that showed obama born at Queens

People that knowing repeat lies supoport lying.

Again, Obama posted a lie and his loyal defenders say it was a mistake and do not say it is a lie. Lyijng is a mistake. Mistakes are not all lies.

"Organizing for america"
The man is loaded with slogans.

Blind loyalty. People defend dishonesty if it is coupled with people they are fond of.
You must be great at parties. The more you post, the more I think you are merely a pot stirrer.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:31 AM
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The application to get your birth certificate from Hawaii does not have an option for a short form or a long form. He had to take whatever they sent him, which is the one he has released.


From what sources?

A simple mistake, one which has been corrected.

While not a teacher, she does remember the birth:
http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html


Allegedly being the key word, since there is no factual evidence of this.

He has shown proof. It was sufficient enough for the presidential election vetting process.

Besides that, as unbiased as the conspiracy minority may think WND is, I counted 9 stories questioning Obama's birth on the homepage, all right near the top. If a site consistently pushes an agenda like that, it is not unbiased. Perhaps there are no other sources?

A side note, does anyone have any information on the official vetting process for presidential candidates? I have to imagine it is intensive, but I have not found the actual process outlined anywhere.
Or have you considered they are still trying to get a truthful answer?
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:43 AM
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You must be great at parties. The more you post, the more I think you are merely a pot stirrer.
Snopes lied Obama lied. The Saul Alinsky tactics are to denigrate the acusers.

http://peoplespassions.org/Exhibits/...ool_Record.pdf

This is a copy of Barry Soetero's school record.
why is his name Barry Soetero?
When did it change?
Why would they say he was a citizen of indonesia?
Does that mean he revoked US citizenship or never had US citizen ship.
It is a compliment when cheaters and decievers get exposed with contradictory stories and facts and get accused of being a "pot stirror". And it is the subject of review that stimulates questions by their changing stories.

Twisp. If we do Due diligence, we pressure from the flim flam man to disbelieve what he tells us when it comes to facts. He thought he could post the facts and lock up access to records and these slights of hand would go away.
Would an honest person claim to be an American citizen and have a claim of Indonesian citizenship in the past?
I have a lot of cousins that have never lived in the US. English is my second language. We have to abide by laws. I was born here. My relatives can't show up and have me use a PC and make a Birth document for them.
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Old 07-17-2009, 11:48 AM
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So much has been debated about whether or not Barack H. Obama II is or is not a Natural Born US citizen. The problem is that so many people are totally uninformed as to the law as it existed in 1961 as it relates to the transmission of citizenship to a child born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions (OLP).

In an effort to clear the air, to get the FACTS out so people can clearly see the issue without opining or guessing as to the legalities, allow me to pontificate a bit. For the record, I am a recently retired Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, with more than 25 years experience. Part of that experience is understanding and comprehending immigration and nationality law which is at the center of this issue. In short, I know a "little bit" about what I speak of.

In 1961, as opposed to TODAY, Section 301(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended (INA) required the following: A child being born to one alien parent (i.e.. Non Citizen) and one citizen parent in a marital relationship, required that the sole US citizen parent to have resided in the United States for a period of ten years, five of which must have been over the age of 14. Today's version of the law has somewhat different residency requirements for the US citizen parent. But the law, as it applied on August 4, 1961, required ten years presence, five after the age of 14.

Barack Hussein Obama I (dad), was a citizen and national of Kenya. He was not, nor had never been, a United States citizen. Ergo, he is the "alien" parent in this scenario. Stanley Ann Dunham (mom) was a US citizen by virtue of having been born in the US. At the time of Barack Hussein Obama II's birth on August 4, 1961, Ms. Dunham was 18 years old, having been born in November of 1942. As such, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born outside the US or its Outlying Possessions, on August 4, 1961, then Ms. Dunham could not transmit her citizenship to her son because she failed to have accumulated the necessary physical presence requirements that the LAW (that pesky and inconvenient thing that oftentimes gets in the way of "change") demanded.

The earliest in which Ms. Dunham could have transmitted her citizenship to a child born outside the US would have been when she was 19 years of age, which was in November of 1961 and NOT in August of 1961, when Obama was born.

It's that simple. If he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else for that matter, other than the US or its OLP's, then he is not, nor can never be, eligible to hold the office of President of the United States of America inasmuch as he does not, nor never can, fulfill the requirements of Article II, Clause V of the Constitution of the United States. It's not an optional thing, regardless of whether or not someone thinks it's fair or not. It's the law, that pesky, recurring inconvenience that seems to get in the way, time and time again.

Now, the question remains to be answered if he was born in Kenya or not. The State of Hawaii has weighed in and states that there is a record of Mr. Obama's birth on file in the Department of Vital Statistics. However, THAT is not enough. There are two entirely different and distinct birth documents issued by the State of Hawaii.

The first is a Certificate of Live Birth which is the traditional birth certificate we all are familiar with for children born IN Hawaii.

Then there is a different document entitled Certification of Live Birth, which is issued to children born OUTSIDE of Hawaii but whose birth is registered in Hawaii pursuant to a quaint and scarcely known Hawaiian law, Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8. This law allows for the registration of a birth in Hawaii for a child who was born OUTSIDE Hawaii to parents who, for the year immediately preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their principle place of residence.

Dunham and Obama Sr. both resided in Hawaii for the year immediately preceding Senator Obama's birth. Ergo sum, his birth, even if it occurred in Kenya, could legally be registered in Hawaii, and a Certification of Live Birth could have been issued, giving the uninitiated the impression that he was born in Hawaii when in fact, he was not.

It is misleading when the State of Hawaii states that they have examined Obama's birth record and it is valid. It could very well be the case. The ISSUE however, is whether or not he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or if he was born in Kenya. There is of course, a plausible scenario in which he could've been born in Kenya and yet have his birth recorded in Hawaii as having been born in Hawaii when in fact he was not. It's quite simple actually. His mother could have lied. That's right. Ann Dunham could have given birth in Kenya, brought Obama back with her to the US and then fraudulently registered the birth in Hawaii. Is it likely? Who knows? Is it possible? As Sir Aruthur Coynan Doyle has written: Once you have eliminated what is impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, is possible.

In this case, anything is possible. And it's so unfortunate that all but one relative on Ms. Dunham's side of the family are deceased. His maternal grandmother, who he conveniently just visited in Hawaii, is the one living relative that could possibly shed light on this subject. A simple question asking her if her daughter went to Kenya prior to Barack's birth would end the speculation, assuming of course, her response is truthful. And therein lies the rub. With so much fraud being perpetrated by the DailyKOS, Stop the Smears, and others, it's difficult to believe anything at this point.

And isn't it oh so convenient that Obama goes to Hawaii on October 23, 2008 and the Hawaiian Department of Health, after his visit to Hawaii, issues the statement that the document they have is legitimate. The wording of their statement leaves a lot to be desired. It's a non answer to a question. Yes, the document is valid. And? Was he born in Hawaii?????? Silence.

The now infamous document posted on Stop the Smears and the DailyKOS, which has been determined to be a forgery by no fewer than three court certified Forensic Document Examiners, was a Certification of Live Birth and NOT a Certificate of Live Birth or Birth Certificate. However, in an effort to obfuscate the issue, the term "Birth Certificate" has been used interchangeably with "Certification of Live Birth".

Assuming that Mr. Obama has a legitimate Certification of Live Birth, the question must be asked: "Why post a forgery?" The answer is as follows:

A: There does not exist a legitimate, authentic birth document for Obama showing birth anywhere in the US.


Steve Marquis

http://peoplespassions.org/Exhibits/...w_Edition1.pdf

Look at page 2. In 2004 he said Queens
citizen of Indonesia.

http://peoplespassions.org/Exhibits/...02008corrA.pdf

Sworn affidavit of his birth in kenya.

I do not believe Obama is in any way honest about this issue. From this point on, I have no reason to believe people defending Obamas contradictory claims are truthfull.

The truth did NOT change in the last 30 days.
http://peoplespassions.org/Exhibits/...ool_Record.pdf
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Or have you considered they are still trying to get a truthful answer?
With all of the evidence pointing to him being a citizen, I would say that they know the truth. I would say they are just catering to their readership instead.
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