"Allowed" is the key word. According to those of your faith, if I take that option (as allowed), I will burn forever in hell. (OK, most of you guys! Sorry, CrakJack! )
hey tim, you believe what you want, i am not the judge, i just read the word, and try to live it myself, bless you, dt
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hey tim, you believe what you want, i am not the judge, i just read the word, and try to live it myself, bless you, dt
I believe that nobody can possibly know for certain. Everyone who says they do gets their beliefs from some source that they trust. They assert that their source is 100% true. Why? Because their source says it is! Simple!
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I believe that nobody can possibly know for certain. Everyone who says they do gets their beliefs from some source that they trust. They assert that their source is 100% true. Why? Because their source says it is! Simple!
That's circular reasoning!
Since the choice you make will put you in Hell according to other's choices, you must take a wise gamble of belief!
It's a step of faith that I believe the Holy Bible to be God's word for my life! Since it is established for my life, I choose to believe the bible as my road map for this life and the life to come!
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If you do not mind I would choose to believe in and pray to the God that Jesus instructed us to pray to, by example prayed to himself, was the same God that Adam, Noah, Lot, Abraham prayed to, and is the same God today.
Had the Council in 325 AD not removed material from the Bible at that time, at the request of the polythiests, and with penalty of death for possession of the removed material, your beliefs might have followed a different path. You currently believe what a bunch of old men 300 years after Jesus was taken back into Heaven (1) tell you to believe and (2) rewrote the gospels to tell you to believe.
Since none of the gospels quite match in their stories there is little likelihood that they were either inspired by God or that the people who wrote them were actually there. Writings inspired by God Himself do not have discrepencies. The New Testament is full of them. Re-writings and modified writings DO have discrepencies.
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh
timmy my man there is only one true god, and his name is Jesus, there is no other, islam is a false religion, period, only Jesus is the way, dt
Still no takers huh? Nobody wants to take this (not at all a fully-inclusive list) of verses and (1) explain them and (2) explain why the entire christian faith should not be judged by them? You would rather point to the deeds of a few scraggly criminals who act under a false and twisted version of "islam", justify the problems in your own neighborhoods, and then cannot explain the texts of your own bibles while at the same time being critical of societies that incorporate them, nearly word-for-word?
Your churches preach modesty, we practice it, you criticize it. Your churches preach charity we practice it you criticize it. Your churches preach regular prayer we practice it you criticize it. Your churches preach against drugs/alcohol we practice it you criticize it. Your churches preach fasting we practice it you criticize it. Your churches preach abstinance we practice it you criticize it. Your churches preach to live apart from the evils of society we practice it you criticize it. Every Christian who practices exactly what christian churches teach will live their life exactly as an average, day-to-day Muslim does. That's what is so sad about these silly debates lol. I contend all of us, all of you - do this - pray every day, fast regularly, look for ways to give - really give to those in need around you, stay apart from the world and things of the world, do not let your finances sink into the well of debt, stay apart from the opposite sex minus your spouses, and see what a difference that makes in your life, your community, and your family's life.
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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day
Do you actually need me to explain this?
BTW can you explain these quotes from the Bible?
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... stone them with stones, till they die.
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses
Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die.
Yes please explain that, how you are going to fight those that believe not in Allah, like us. Please explain it but move it back to the thread on Islam please
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
If you do not mind I would choose to believe in and pray to the God that Jesus instructed us to pray to, by example prayed to himself, was the same God that Adam, Noah, Lot, Abraham prayed to, and is the same God today.
Had the Council in 325 AD not removed material from the Bible at that time, at the request of the polythiests, and with penalty of death for possession of the removed material, your beliefs might have followed a different path. You currently believe what a bunch of old men 300 years after Jesus was taken back into Heaven (1) tell you to believe and (2) rewrote the gospels to tell you to believe.
Since none of the gospels quite match in their stories there is little likelihood that they were either inspired by God or that the people who wrote them were actually there. Writings inspired by God Himself do not have discrepencies. The New Testament is full of them. Re-writings and modified writings DO have discrepencies.
They didn't remove any material. We are not Polytheists. This shows, as I said, you have no idea who you are dealing with. They did not rewrite the gospels. That is anti-Christian propaganda
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
You had a chance to explain the discrepencies in the gospels Prax (some of them). Instead, I heard you or somebody say something like "we know about them. they spend (2) years in bible college teaching us those discrepencies". ????? @ 2 years? (laughing) I bet it does take (2) years. but anyway.
I did not say you were Polytheist. I am sure, quite sure in fact, that I probably am not the only one ever who has had to note to you that not everything, everywhere, on the entire internet and universe orbits around you and your all-central planet.
I said the Polytheists at the Council removed some of what were, prior to 325 AD (you know, close to the time that Jesus, who the gospels were about, was actually alive) the gospels. Penalty of death for possession of the removed material.
My words: Had the Council in 325 AD not removed material from the Bible at that time, at the request of the polythiests
OK let's carefully review those words: Where is the reference to you in there? Why do those words orbit your planet? Were you alive in 325? So, if I was referring to something that happened in 325 AD, how can, even with the most narcissistic stretch of imagination, that possibly relate to you? Conclusion: That comment does not orbit "planet Prax". It says part of the gospels were removed in 325 AD. Thank you.
Back to topic: Do you deny that there was a Canonical gospel of Barnabas removed by the Council in 325, banned from the Western Churches in 382? In which Jesus was specifically quoted, as he said during his teaching of the Lord's prayer (in the remaining, unmatched gospels), that he was not to be called God, referred to as God, and that "God has no equal, no beginning, no end, no father, no mother, no sons, no brethren, no companions?" and "When God shall come to judge, my words like a sword shall pierce each one of them that believes me to be more than man?"
He also instructed his followers, as he did in the mismatched gospels, to pray to God, as he prayed to God himself?
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They didn't remove any material. We are not Polytheists. This shows, as I said, you have no idea who you are dealing with. They did not rewrite the gospels. That is anti-Christian propaganda
There is NOTHING "anti-christian" about stating the words of and advising the following of the words of and example of Jesus himself by the way. Do you deny that he prayed to God, fasted, and instructed his followers to (and even how to) pray to God also?
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