Is this a Joke or what?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

So how did he get my e-mail? Does he mine the UPC site for addresses?

It appears that way.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Those points have always been valid and have always been happening. They're very general. Anybody could make those points.

I should let you do all the talking....LOL!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

None of those things are new to the UPC. Those things have went on for years among certain preachers and pastors. Old news, really.

What is new to the UPCI is there are more ministers not willing to put up with much of those same old issues.

As more quality ministers leave the organization and band together to create network of churches and friends.

As they see success in ministry is not limited to a confining organization.

The more the UPCI will lose it's effective grip on folks.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

Personally, I see it happening more rather than less so in my mind it's a trend.

Sometimes, things we pay attention to more than others makes a difference.

For instance, there are some on here who think there are more dictator pastors than not. There are some who think pastors preaching standards is becoming a thing of the past and they want more of it. There are some who completely disagree with one or both of those statements.

It just depends on what you look at and where you are and who you listen to.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

What is new to the UPCI is there are more ministers not willing to put up with much of those same old issues.

As more quality ministers leave the organization and band together to create network of churches and friends.

As they see success in ministry is not limited to a confining organization.

The more the UPCI will lose it's effective grip on folks.

You could be right, however, I'm not seeing that.

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Sometimes, things we pay attention to more than others makes a difference.

For instance, there are some on here who think there are more dictator pastors than not. There are some who think pastors preaching standards is becoming a thing of the past and they want more of it. There are some who completely disagree with one or both of those statements.

It just depends on what you look at and where you are and who you listen to.

I get what your saying but over the 20 years I have been associated with Pentecost, I can see a big change in what is viewed as important. Overall, not just with certain people or places.

[Parkbench]

Has anyone ever heard of Steve Winters?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Parkbench

Has anyone ever heard of Steve Winters?

Ummm...yes...why?!

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

I get what your saying but over the 20 years I have been associated with Pentecost, I can see a big change in what is viewed as important. Overall, not just with certain people or places.

I was raised in a church that had a dictator as pastor. I left that church 20 years ago, after I became of age.

I see changes taking place too, but for the better, overall.

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Parkbench

Has anyone ever heard of Steve Winters?

Parky, he's a fruitcake and isn't normal in any sense of the word.

But I'm interested in hearing what your point is....LOL!