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Old 02-01-2011, 10:45 AM
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DR. ADAM CLARKE, author of the famous Clark’s Commentaries, writes concerning 1 Corinthians 14:34 and 35 that it is: The ONLY ONE in the whole book of God which even by a false translation can be made prohibitory female speaking in the Church." How is it then, that by this one isolated passage, which according to our best Greek authorities is wrongly rendered and wrongly applied, woman’s lips have been sealed for centuries, and the testimony of Jesus, which is the spirit of Prophecy silenced, when bestowed on her? How is it that this solitary text has been allowed to stand unexamined and unexplained? Nay, the learned commentators who have known its true meaning, as perfectly as either Robinson, Bloomfield, Greenfield, Scott, Parkhurst, or Locke, have upheld the delusion, and enforced it as a Divine precept biding on all female disciples through all time? Surely there must have been some unfaithfulness, ‘craftiness and handling the word of life deceitfully’ somewhere. Surely the love of caste and unscriptural jealousy for a separated priesthood had something to do with this.


DEAN ALFORD, commenting on 1 Timothy 5:9 mentions, “It is an undisputed fact in church history that ‘women sat unveiled in the assemblies in a separate place, by the presbyters,’ and were ‘ordained by the laying on of hands’ until the Church Council of Laodicea forbade it in thee hundred years after Paul had written the epistle to the Corinthians."

BISHOP LIGHTFOOT, regarding the Greek word, "deaconess" being translated as a "servant" giving strong reason for belief that the original Greek word referred to women deacons, states: If the testimony bore... to a ministry of women in Apostolic times, had not thus been blotted out of our English Bibles...Our English Church would not have been maimed of one of her hands.

EUSEBRJS, ancient church historian referring to the four daughters of Philip who prophesied, as related in Acts 21:9, declared that these godly women fulfilled the work of evangelists, To preach Christ to those who had never yet heard the word of the faith, and deliver unto them the record of the Holy Gospels. He also refers to Potomania Ammias, a prophetess in Philadelphia, and others, who were equally distinguished for their love and zeal in the cause of Christ.

JUSTIN MARTYR, who lived about 150 A. D. says A...both men and women were seen among them who had the extraordinary gifts of the Spirit of God, according as the prophet Joel had foretold."

PLINY, the youngest governor of Bithyria wrote the Roman Emperor Trojan asking advice concerning the persecution of the Christians because people from all social classes were becoming Christians.
Here is a part of his letter: “I thought it necessary to know the truth about the Christians. So, I ordered two women slaves to be tortured; these slaves are called deacons, but it isn’t anything but superstitious beliefs. So I am sending this document to you to clarify this fact because the Christians are of all ages, classes, and both sexes.”
Pliny chose two women slaves like Phoebe who were also deaconesses to show what Christianity is like. Pliny referred to these two women as deacon or women ministers.

In recent history, the founder of the Pilgrim Holiness Church, Seth Rees claimed that "no Church that is acquainted with the Holy Ghost will object to the public ministry of women." (Hardisty, Nancy, Lucille Sides Dayton, and Donald W. Dayton, Women in the Spirit: Female Leadership in the Jewish and Christian Tradition, edited by Rosemary Radford Ruether and Eleanor McLaughlin, 226-34, NY, Simen & Schuster, 1979).

Barbara J. MacHaffee states that women are truly instruments in the hands of God as they preach. She writes, "so far as Quaker women and their societies were concerned, they were simply instruments of God’s will when exercising a preaching ministry. (Barbara J. MacHafee, Her Story: Women In Christian Tradition, Fortress Press, Philadelphia, 1986, pg. 110).

Books could be written on women who preached in the early church. Women such as Maximilla and Prisca, who were two women preachers of the Montanist. Olympians, a deaconess of Constantinople and friend of Jon Chyposton. Sabeneana, aunt of Chysposton was also a woman preacher. Mary Greek in Sciption which mentions deaconesses belonging to Asia Minor: Nunes, Stateges Prebu and Matrona, at Axylos; Masa, Aurelia Faustina, and Paula at Loadicea; Combusta, Elaphea - deaconesses of the Encratik sect of Nevenne;
Timothea, at Koryos in Alicia; and Arte, in Aphrodesia in Caria (reference Weatherly).

It was in the 5th century that Rome began opposing strongly the woman. (The First Council of Orange, canon 25)








The true Apostolic church has always recognized the ministry of women. Although we do not know the authors of several books, the Bible, some have said no woman ever wrote a book in the Bible. Perhaps not or perhaps the unnamed author of the book of Hebrews was a …um…a woman?! Now, that’s an interesting thought.
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Old 02-01-2011, 10:51 AM
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yes, my friend in your mind it may not be the same thing but for millions and millions of christians street services, housemeetings, farm meetings is all they will ever know...
They will never have the opportunity to sit in some fancy building somewhere...the REAL church is a body not a building...
Never said it was, you're assuming into my statements what I've not provided. I Tim. 2:11-15 & I Cor. 14 is referring to the public assembly of saints, not winning the lost....as I've pointed out to you many, many times before.
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IT WAS A WOMAN WHO FIRST HELD THE WORD OF LIFE IN HER HANDS AND CARRIED IT (HIM) IN HER WOMB...IT WAS TO A WOMAN JESUS said, " go and tell..."
SO THE FIRST MESSAGE THAT WAS EVER CARRIED AFTER he arose was carried by a woman....
So silly....Did she "preach a sermon" from the text of God's written Word as women do today [so I hear]? Of course not....w/ all due respect [& there's alot due] this is atotal violation/perversion of context.
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I am not saying i agree or disagree i am just coping quotes to consider....
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The Bible declares that women will prophesy: 1 Cor. 11:5, "For every woman that prayeth or prophesieth...."

Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.)

Ahhh yes, the favorite concordance of the women preacher's...the much outdated & obsolete Young's concordane...that hrdly any true scholar uses anymore! Look up Strong's, Vine's, BDB definitions of prophetess & you certainly won't see what Young tried to pull off. Hmmmm.....

The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.

The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort."

The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach.
I Cor. 14 is referring to the gifts of the Spirit. That is, the spontaneous, lofty [Thayer's] utterance of the Spirit...not a sermon from the Scriptures. Respectfully [& I mean that sincerely], You've been told this before, yet you just ignore the facts & plod along.
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This is the chief verse that is used to oppose women preaching and yet it says nothing about preaching, nor does it say anything about a public worship or church service. But, on the contrary, this verse is giving instructions to wives as to how they were to conduct themselves in regard to their husband. Paul says in 1 Cor. 14:35, "And if they will LEARN anything, let them ask their husbands at home." Now he states in 1 Tim. 2:12 that the woman should learn in silence, and should not usurp authority over the man. Paul is dealing with more of a home problem than a church problem.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. "These things I write unot you so that you may know how to behave yourself IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, WHICH IS THE CHURCH....". The Bible says exactly the opposite of what you apparently copied & pasted above.

PAUL TELLS US PLAINLY ABOUT WORSHIP SERVICES 1 Corinthians 14 describes what a service was like among the first Christians.
“Everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation." (NIV, 1 Cor 14:26)
“Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.” (NIV, 1 Cor 14:1-5)
Again, I Cor. 14 is dealing w/ the gifts of the Spirit, not "preaching sermons from the Bible".
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For the record once again...in saying all I SAY I don´t believe any godly woman would push a man aside if there is one...however if we know more than those around us it is our job to preach the gospel to every creature...
Sister, just keep on doing what the Spirit of the Lord directs you to do, it has always been those that have a heart for the work of the Lord that He uses.

I know you don't allow your work to be judged by others, that you have the great leadership of your husband, and you together are doing the work of the Lord.

I commend you and bless you and your family in your royal work.
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Luke 2:36. And there was one Anna, a prophetess, and a daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with a husband seven years from her virginity. It was the temple where Anna observed Moses’ law, and there she abode day and night speaking of the coming Messiah. She spoke to all that awaited redemption of Israel.



She spoke with them about Messiah. Each one that came to the temple listened to her speak of the Redeemer. It isn’t recorded anywhere that anyone ever rebuked her for speaking or prophesying in the temple. Acts 7:44 calls it the tabernacle (church) in the wilderness.
Was Anna in the 5-fold ministry of the NT church? Of course not. BTW, it's also "not recorded" that Anna "preached sermons to men from the Scriptures". I certainly believe that women should tell of Jesus & win the lost, but she's strictly forbidden to instruct men in the church.
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I am not saying i agree or disagree i am just coping quotes to consider....
I understand & as I've told you before I highly respect you for the sacrifices that you've made. BUT...we disagree apparently on women's roles in the church. Winning the lost, we certainly agree. I'll not respond to quotes from histroy since they nothing to do w/ the texts of God's Word & most [if not all] of the quotes are regarding trinitarians...& Catholics at that!
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The Holy Ghost is the one who inspired Paul to forbid women to preach/teach men in a church setting...this is not the same thing as soul-winning on the streets, or in someone's house. There's difference is winning the lost & instructing saved men in a church setting.
Paul was speaking primarily to a culture that marginalized women, he was dealing with the facts as they were in that context. Jesus came to set ALL free, so why do you care to continue to marginalize what He has set free.

The need for ministry is so great, I would be very hesitate to hinder anyone that is at work in the harvest, in whatever capacity that God is clearly using them, be male or female.

Check out individuals throughout the scriptures, God has always used folks that were available with the heart to serve. Your efforts seemed to me to be seriously misguided!!!
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