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Old 08-10-2013, 01:18 PM
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Yeah, it's hard work sometimes to make these stories less horrible than a straight reading....
Yep, hard work, and today a nice little industry--probably ever since Johannes Gutenberg helped put those picture-Bibles out of business. After that, there were words and sentences to go with the pictures, and a few more non-clergy type folk learned how to read! Even in context.
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But there's a good moral to the story: Make a promise (even if it's stupid -- what was he expecting to welcome him home, a lamb?) in exchange for God's help, and you'll get that help. And have to honor the promise.

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But there's a good moral to the story: Make a promise (even if it's stupid -- what was he expecting to welcome him home, a lamb?) in exchange for God's help, and you'll get that help. And have to honor the promise.

I guess.
Jephthah should have taken his daughter's place for that stupid oath that he didn't have to make.
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But there's a good moral to the story: Make a promise (even if it's stupid -- what was he expecting to welcome him home, a lamb?) in exchange for God's help, and you'll get that help. And have to honor the promise.

I guess.
Timmy, Greg Boyd is coming out with a book next year about these old testament and new testament views of God as a warrior God. But he has some interesting blog posts on the subject.


http://reknew.org/tag/crucifixion-of-the-warrior-god/
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But there's a good moral to the story: Make a promise (even if it's stupid -- what was he expecting to welcome him home, a lamb?) in exchange for God's help, and you'll get that help. And have to honor the promise.

I guess.
Timmy, for Jephtha to expect a lamb at the front door is not far-fetched if you view the bargain he made as a putting out a fleece of sorts, ala Gideon, for god to have the privilege of choosing. Typical religious thinking: "If Jehovah DOESN'T want the sacrifice of my precious daughter, then Jehovah is well able to make her stay indoors when I return." The delusion of applied faith-- you get to suffer the consequences.
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:13 AM
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Jephthah should have taken his daughter's place for that stupid oath that he didn't have to make.
Good idea. But would God have been ok with that?

But did he really not "have to" make that oath? Maybe not. Another one may have worked just as well. Guess we'll never know.
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Timmy, Greg Boyd is coming out with a book next year about these old testament and new testament views of God as a warrior God. But he has some interesting blog posts on the subject.


http://reknew.org/tag/crucifixion-of-the-warrior-god/
Sounds interesting. May pick up a copy when it comes out.

Is Boyd a Christian again? From what I read at the link (not all of it yet), it kinda sounds like he is, or he's acting as an advisor to Christianity (or a coach!), helping it make sense of its own Book.
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Timmy, for Jephtha to expect a lamb at the front door is not far-fetched if you view the bargain he made as a putting out a fleece of sorts, ala Gideon, for god to have the privilege of choosing. Typical religious thinking: "If Jehovah DOESN'T want the sacrifice of my precious daughter, then Jehovah is well able to make her stay indoors when I return." The delusion of applied faith-- you get to suffer the consequences.
Good point. Now-a-days, as folks have gained experience in doing this kind of thing, it's usually more like "God, if you don't want me to buy that beer, send me a sign...... (waiting.....) ..... (no sign). OK, thanks!"
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Another small bible error.

This will not destroy anyone's faith, and there are no doubt both simple and complex explanations somewhere online intended to preserve your belief that the bible is inerrant, inspired, infallible.

Mark 2:26 "How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the showbread...

The account of same story in 1 Sam 21:1-2 indicates it was Ahimelech. (Abiathar's father.)

Oops, "Mark," you're only human.


PS. "Mark" in quotations because it's an anonymous gospel (and the earliest one of the four) believed written around 70 c.e., with "Gospel according to Mark" simply added by editors.
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Sounds interesting. May pick up a copy when it comes out.

Is Boyd a Christian again? From what I read at the link (not all of it yet), it kinda sounds like he is, or he's acting as an advisor to Christianity (or a coach!), helping it make sense of its own Book.
Yes, Boyd is a Christian. Here's a good video of his testimony. http://vimeo.com/65267407

or here is a shorter version at 26:05 -

http://whchurch.org/blog/8022/summer-qa
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