Tithing…Is it a command?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

So to you I also ask, who cancelled tithing after the Law? Please use clear Bible to reveal the identity of this mysterious canceler.

Again, the tithing system YOU promote was never done way with BECAUSE IT NEVER HAS EXISTED IN THE BIBLE TO BEGIN WITH.

I do not have to prove something was done away with that you've never proved existed.

As for the tithe of the Mosaic Law...
The covenant that necessitated the implementation of the ceremonial Law has been replaced. Yes or no? There are no more animal sacrifices or a temple so there is no need of a priesthood. Without the Levitical priesthood there is no need of the tithe of the land (the only tithe that the Law had). Anyone who does not grasp this does not need to be a pastor or teacher.

And back to the other points that you ignored....

Who instituted tithing before the Law? Please use clear Bible to reveal the identity of this mysterious instituter.

Furthermore, please explain why we must adhere to your tithe theory in order for the ministry to be supported. Please explain why not adhering to the tithe theory somehow means we are muzzling the ox.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

So to you I also ask, who cancelled tithing after the Law? Please use clear Bible to reveal the identity of this mysterious canceler.

What tithe are you referring to?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Rudy

What tithe are you referring to?

These guys think that this is an untouchable doctrine that is not required to submit to any scrutiny, period. They act just like Trinitarians do when you point out the flaws of their teaching on the Godhead.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Again, the tithing system YOU promote was never done way with BECAUSE IT NEVER HAS EXISTED IN THE BIBLE TO BEGIN WITH.

Sez who?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Sez who?

By all means please feel free to point it out in scripture. But let's be specific. Where is anyone at any time in the Bible commanded by God to give 10% of their gross monetary income to anyone (king, priest, pastor,etc) for as long as they live and earn monetary income?

If such a command cannot be clearly shown in scripture, then all pastors who preached it will at best have allot of wood, hay and stubble sermons burned up in the fire at the Bema Seat, or will at worst be cast into the lake of fire as false teachers for extorting God's people and trampling under foot the blood of Christ by cursing with the Law those who had been redeemed from the curse of the Law.

[Esphes45]

Here we go again.

Pro-tithe people, why is this such a big deal? You are acting like we are telling people that they should not give at all. Keep in mind God does not need the money.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esphes45

Here we go again.

Pro-tithe people, why is this such a big deal? You are acting like we are telling people that they should not give at all. Keep in mind God does not need the money.

They get in a state of panic it seems. All rationale and objectivity evaporates.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

How do you come to that conclusion? The law never applied to gentiles?

The Law (OT Law) still stands to condemn the sin of the wicked and unbelieving. However, Christ fulfilled the Law on behalf of the elect, His church. Therefore, the Law is fulfilled as it relates to the Christian. However, Jesus didn't fulfill the Law on our behalf to set us free without any law or guidance. In fact, Jesus set us free to live according to the Law more perfectly. Instead of being bound by the letter of the Law with it's beggarly elements, we are set free to obey the spirit and intent of the Law which is... love.

Matthew 22:37-40
King James Version (KJV)
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Romans 13:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
King James Version (KJV)
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The Born Again Christian is living by a higher law, the Law of Love. The Law of Love is a law that fulfills the very spirit and intent of the inferior OT Law. The Law of Love, aka Law of Christ, aka Law of Liberty, is embodied in two commandments:

1.) Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength.
2.) Love thy neighbor as thyself.

So, we love God with all of our being... and we demonstrate that love by loving others as ourselves.

Jesus is the true vine... and we are the branches. A branch the vine are not separate organisms, they are one organism. We are to live a life of divine love, walking as living extensions of Jesus Himself.

This is a righteousness that far exceeds the righteousness of the entire Law.

How is that?

Just look at the Ten Commandments. Frankly, they can be obeyed by any ethical person in their sleep. Also notice, the Ten Commandments say nothing about providing for the poor, the widow, or the orphan. The Ten Commandments say nothing about feeding the hungry. I could go on and on to demonstrate how the Ten Commandments are insufficient and far below the Christian Law of Love. Therefore, they are a bare minimum at best. A "basement righteousness". The Law of Love is therefore infinitely greater than the Ten Commandments.

Notice... the Law says: "Thou shalt not steal."

Ah, but just because I don't steal from my neighbor... it doesn't mean that I love him. Yet, if I just love my neighbor... I'll never even conceive of stealing from him or harming him in any way. Therefore, love fulfills the demands of the Law. There isn't a single law that can be presented that love doesn't fulfill in spirit and intent. However, the Law doesn't fulfill the demands of love.

Review the following few verses slowly... and perhaps God Himself will reveal to you how love fulfills the Law:

Romans 13:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Therefore, loving God with all one's being and demonstrating that love by loving one's neighbor as one's self fulfills the spirit and intent of the entire Old Testament Law more perfectly.

[Sean]

Someone asked when the "tithe" ended......Heb. 7...


To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Now let us look at the context of Heb. 7......keep an eye on the bold print.....
7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; 2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

It clearly states that tithing is of the LAW OF MOSES!

6 but he whose descent(Melchisedek had descendants) is not counted to them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.


7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes;(Jewish priests under the LAW) but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people received the law, what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect,


NINE times, the word tithe or tenth is used. The exegesis of the passage here is about the TITHE, and what has become of it. This passage is the telling us that the tithe, which is of the Law, has been DISANULLED.





The tithe was the mechanism that drove the Levitical priesthood, it could not operate without it.
Malachi shows us that.....(the "Law" is crying out for funding there).
You take away the tithe...you take away(defund) the Law of Moses.
The "theme" of Hebrews is to do exactly that.
Put an end to the temple worship.... This chapter is the "defunding" chapter.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

So to you I also ask, who cancelled tithing after the Law? Please use clear Bible to reveal the identity of this mysterious canceler.

I'm afraid you will be waiting a loooong time for that answer!