But, if you are to be consistent, you are going to have to stop driving your synthetic car, stop wearing your synthetic clothing and shoes (unless you want to walk around all wrinkly), stop using a synthetic telephone, and, oh yes, stop using your synthetic computer.
This has nothing to do with medications and you're bringing up a strawman argument.
No, I'm asking is would you seek out medical help if need be, for him or yourself?
No, I won't seek medical help for myself because of my experiences with God healing me completely. My son makes his own choice and he is wise enough to know what he will do in that situation. I believe that he would refuse seeking medical help and be healed by God completely.
I know many people on here don't understand that, but that is the choice that me and my family has made and we do trust God completely.
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I mean if it's something bad, say like heart attack or stroke???
Don't know, because I have never had one, but if I know myself as well as I do, I will pray for myself and will be healed. I know it may be hard to understand why I do this, but it is the experiences in my life with God.
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Like I said I have no issues with it, just asking! Frankly I think some people are over medicated .
According to my son, people use medication as an idol, because it is what they trust in rather than God.
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One last thing, do you believe preventive medicine ? Like herbs, vitamins, keeping the body healthy through diet and exercises ?? This what I do myself.
I believe that if we eat the right foods, then we will be healthier and will not get sick. The Bible shows us what to eat and not to eat. I believe that vitamins are not as healthy as eating the right foods. I believe that exercise will help keep us healthy.
I Timothy 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
I will have to look up the scriptures about showing us what and what not to eat. I do know that shrimp and pork is something that we shouldn't eat. At our house, we don't eat pork, but we do eat shrimp. We eat mostly chicken and turkey at our house. We also eat wheat pasta and wheat bread. We haven't been to the doctor in over 3 years.
I hope that this answers all of your questions.
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This has nothing to do with medications and you're bringing up a strawman argument.
I am consistant in my beliefs.
Nope, it IS a question of consistency. Obviously your arguments aren't consistent. Do you use synthetic spoons and dinnerware to provide nutrition to your body? Do you use synthetic products to wash and style your hair when you go to church? Do you use synthetic cash, checks, or debit cards to pay for your expenses? Do you live in a straw hut? Do you atten church in a grass building?
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I didn't say anyone hasn't, however I haven't seen a lot of posts mocking the idea of not getting medical treatment and expecting God taking care of it
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There are plenty of posts on here mocking me, but it is typical on here.
Are they mocking you or are they mocking the idea of not getting medical treatment?
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Where is the evidence?
In this thread. I just quoted you
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Like I said before, it is typical for people on here to do that.
But you don't see yourself doing the same or coming off somewhat judgmental?
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Sometimes, it is God's will for people to die. That is not nothing new.
And some times people die because they did not get treatment
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No, I won't seek medical help for myself because of my experiences with God healing me completely. My son makes his own choice and he is wise enough to know what he will do in that situation. I believe that he would refuse seeking medical help and be healed by God completely.
I know many people on here don't understand that, but that is the choice that me and my family has made and we do trust God completely.
Don't know, because I have never had one, but if I know myself as well as I do, I will pray for myself and will be healed. I know it may be hard to understand why I do this, but it is the experiences in my life with God.
According to my son, people use medication as an idol, because it is what they trust in rather than God.
I believe that if we eat the right foods, then we will be healthier and will not get sick. The Bible shows us what to eat and not to eat. I believe that vitamins are not as healthy as eating the right foods. I believe that exercise will help keep us healthy.
I Timothy 4:8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.
I will have to look up the scriptures about showing us what and what not to eat. I do know that shrimp and pork is something that we shouldn't eat. At our house, we don't eat pork, but we do eat shrimp. We eat mostly chicken and turkey at our house. We also eat wheat pasta and wheat bread. We haven't been to the doctor in over 3 years.
I hope that this answers all of your questions.
Thank you for answering!
We don't eat pork, we only eat wild game, white tail, Elk, Bison , fish. We raise our own chicken's for eggs, they are free range and rabbits for food as well. We have garden so hubby putting in a root cellar before winter hits , so we try eat close to the earth. I do some herbs as well. I mill my own organic wheat and Flax seeds, bake my own breads as well. We buy organic whole oats, we do our best to stay away from the hormones injected food groups! We have a deep well, so we don't consume chlorinated water, no soda pops cook with coconut oil. I've not been to a doctor in six years myself. I'll admit I do these things to stay healthy!
Why does one have to rely on doctors and medication before God can heal them?
You answer me first since I asked first
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Have you?
Again, I asked first
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Are you saying that everyone that gets treatment will be alive?
If I wanted to say such a thing I wouldn't speak in riddles. I'd say it in explicit words anyone can understand. So let's just deal with what was written and not put words in each others mouths. Im trying to make some points and hoping to reason with you, but you need to address my questions.
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Because this thread is about medication and many of you keep changing the subject.
I didn't change the subject and it appears you are also involved in this current topic. BTW it's really related though.
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How do you know that I don't know the faith of anyone on this board? Have you asked God about it?
I know because you are not God.
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Where does the Bible say that they used synthetic drugs in the bible days?
Since I never asserted they did I have no idea why you are asking me
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Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.
That's nice.
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Prove it and quit assuming.
What am I assuming?
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wine is alcohol and not synthetic drugs. There is a big difference between the two.
I don't care. That is irrelevant to the point I made. Paul did not tell Timothy to just trust in God and continue to endure his stomach problems. Rather he gave him a treatment option to help him
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
People in the bible were usually healed instantly, right? If you were not healed instantly that does not mean you won't be healed eventually. But what are you going to do in the long haul if it is something life threatening or serious? What if it prevented you from working and supporting the family but you know you can get treatment that will allow you to continue to work (like say hearing aids if you have deafness)?
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I have been healed instantly too, so what is your point? If you don't want to believe and trust God completely, then don't but stop criticizing me for trusting God completely.
BTW, I know people who have been healed instantly from being deaf. Have you?
The POINT was when they trusted in God they were all healed instantly right? Yes or no? So what about the person that was NOT healed instantly (note, here is where you see part of the point). What about them? In the meanwhile to alleviate pain or other suffering. What if they have a condition that keeps them from working and are not healed instantly...but with medical treatment they could. Should they just wait and not work until God heals them?
BTW where did I criticize you for trusting God completely?
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Thinking outside of the box would help, plus if you would listen instead of assuming.
You mean like how you are assuming I'm not thinking outside the box and listening? LOL!!
Your posts are full of assumptions and nothing but, like when you tell people things like you do above, telling them to seek God (cause you assume they don't or haven't) and such.
I'd like to see some original thoughts from you in your posts, not the same old rhetoric. It's old so quick.
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Why does one have to rely on doctors and medication before God can heal them?
Have you asked God that question? It might be a good one to ask Him. I know lots of people who took meds for years before God healed them. I don't know why He did it that way.
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Amen Brother!!! James trusts God completely and refuses to take medications and I respect him for sticking to his convictions. I also trust God completely and refuse to take medications. It has been a long, long time since I have been to a doctor. At first, I didn't have strong convictions against going to the doctor, but as I have grown in the Lord and from what the Lord has shown me, my convictions have become stronger and there is no one on here that can sway me from my faith and convictions. In essence, they are wasting their time.
And what medications is he refusing to take that he should be taking?? Or are you just saying he won't take things like Tylenol for a headache or Tums for indigestion?
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