You know I have utmost respect for you, but how does a man like Godair influence preachers when in some parts of the country he and others like him wouldn't even come because of so called liberal churches or what has been spread about the conference sponsor or host.
For example:
Kenneth Haney has been more than accomdating to have men that he would necessarily agree with over the years, but have the reprocicated, no.
This doesn't change the fact that his influence on the national scale is signifigant.
__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
... ...I can't get in the UPC because the guy in my city wont let me, do you think that represents a healthy organization, this happened before the vote, guess what he will most likely leave, now I might if I so choose be able to get into a organization that I owe much to and owes much to me.
Keith, would you like for me to call him and see what he is planning?
Regarding the upc, would you really be willing to sign the AS?
__________________ For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
This doesn't change the fact that his influence on the national scale is signifigant.
Amos, truely it is a sad thing to loose men like JG, and so many others. They are great men
but if life has taught me anything, it is that none of us are irreplaceable. Their departure will simple make room for others to step up. This is they way of things.
Sure these guys will be missed. Their influence has been valuable. But there are others who arent going anywhere. there are others that will step up. It is always that way.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
Yes, his influence is significant and the loss of those guys will have a impact, good or bad.
This is my point exactly.
Whether you think it is a positive or negative thing, the impact will definitely be considerable.
__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
Amos, truely it is a sad thing to loose men like JG, and so many others. They are great men
but if life has taught me anything, it is that none of us are irreplaceable. Their departure will simple make room for others to step up. This is they way of things.
Sure these guys will be missed. Their influence has been valuable. But there are others who arent going anywhere. there are others that will step up. It is always that way.
Sure, there will be leadership that will step up.
But their loss will make a difference in the direction and emphasis of the UPC.
I predict that it is going to take a turn to the left.
__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
I know this debate isn't about the personal convictions of Bro. Haney, but I just spoke to a man who came up with Brother Haney and he said in very endearing terms..."The Bishop isn't as conservative as you think he is, in fact I know for certain he doesn't believe that WE are the only ones who are going to heaven..."
I asked him who is WE, and he said, "Ya know who I am talking about..."
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