How Many "3 Steppers" Do We Have On Aff???

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by philjones

But what will I do when those big liberal bullies come a pickin' on me???

I think you can hold your own there Bro!!! Just preach at em!!! You preached at me and had me to tears!!! I am sure many on here think I am very liberal... (SHHHHHHHH let em keep thinkin it messes w their heads) LOL

[Truly Blessed]

Salvation, according to my understanding of Scripture, is a process that begins with God and ends with God and involves faith, repentance, baptism in water, the gift of the Holy Ghost, sanctification and walking in the Spirit, witnessing, and my eventual resurrection from the dead.

People who reduce the role of the Holy Ghost to an event in which someone speaks with other tongues, IMO diminish the work of the Spirit in this process of salvation.

To deny the transformational impact of the Word and the regeneration reality of someone who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is absurd IMO. Legalist love to dissect everything and break things down into steps, but it's not really steps, it's process. If it was steps, God Himself could not deviate from the steps He has put in place. In other words, a person wouldn't be allowed to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost without first being baptized. If you believe the theology of SE for example and it's a matter of steps, God often baptizes folks with the Holy Ghost whose sins have not been remitted. That's like saying it would have been acceptable for the OT priests to bypass the laver and enter into the Holy of Holies, then go back later and wash their hands in the laver. Steps are steps. Salvation is process.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Salvation, according to my understanding of Scripture, is a process that begins with God and ends with God and involves faith, repentance, baptism in water, the gift of the Holy Ghost, sanctification and walking in the Spirit, witnessing, and my eventual resurrection from the dead.

People who reduce the role of the Holy Ghost to an event in which someone speaks with other tongues, IMO diminish the work of the Spirit in this process of salvation.

To deny the transformational impact of the Word and the regeneration reality of someone who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is absurd IMO. Legalist love to dissect everything and break things down into steps, but it's not really steps, it's process. If it was steps, God Himself could not deviate from the steps He has put in place. In other words, a person wouldn't be allowed to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost without first being baptized. If you believe the theology of SE for example and it's a matter of steps, God often baptizes folks with the Holy Ghost whose sins have not been remitted. That's like saying it would have been acceptable for the OT priests to bypass the laver and enter into the Holy of Holies, then go back later and wash their hands in the laver. Steps are steps. Salvation is process.

I can wholeheartedly agree with you that it is a process. It don't stop with Belief. It don't stop with Repentance. It don't stop with Water Baptism. It don't stop with Spirit Baptism. And it don't even stop with Holiness living. It is a continual growth, and just like anything living thing, the moment growth is stopped, it usually indicates a death has occurred.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Salvation, according to my understanding of Scripture, is a process that begins with God and ends with God and involves faith, repentance, baptism in water, the gift of the Holy Ghost, sanctification and walking in the Spirit, witnessing, and my eventual resurrection from the dead.

People who reduce the role of the Holy Ghost to an event in which someone speaks with other tongues, IMO diminish the work of the Spirit in this process of salvation.

To deny the transformational impact of the Word and the regeneration reality of someone who has placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is absurd IMO. Legalist love to dissect everything and break things down into steps, but it's not really steps, it's process. If it was steps, God Himself could not deviate from the steps He has put in place. In other words, a person wouldn't be allowed to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost without first being baptized. If you believe the theology of SE for example and it's a matter of steps, God often baptizes folks with the Holy Ghost whose sins have not been remitted. That's like saying it would have been acceptable for the OT priests to bypass the laver and enter into the Holy of Holies, then go back later and wash their hands in the laver. Steps are steps. Salvation is process.

TB I have NOT advocated steps just the opposite. Actually I agree with what you posted for once.

[Hoovie]

Will we all continue on this agreement if I throw in the occurance of justification as a process?

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I can wholeheartedly agree with you that it is a process. It don't stop with Belief. It don't stop with Repentance. It don't stop with Water Baptism. It don't stop with Spirit Baptism. And it don't even stop with Holiness living. It is a continual growth, and just like anything living thing, the moment growth is stopped, it usually indicates a death has occurred.

Praise be to God! (And kudos to TrulyBlessed)

We're starting to walk on merger ground here.

I, being what this forum would call PCI, would say that a man is as saved when he repents from dead works and places his faith in the Living God as he will ever be this side of Glory, if he continues . . .

A PAJCer like StMatthew would say that a man is as saved as he will ever be this side of Glory after he completes Acts 2:38, if he continues . . .

StMatthew isn't saying that a life of holiness is not essential, and I'm not saying that baptism is optional; we are both expecting the same obedience from converts, and our difference is not found in how to be saved, but rather at what point salvation begins.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

TB I have NOT advocated steps just the opposite. Actually I agree with what you posted for once.

*faints*

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I can wholeheartedly agree with you that it is a process. It don't stop with Belief. It don't stop with Repentance. It don't stop with Water Baptism. It don't stop with Spirit Baptism. And it don't even stop with Holiness living. It is a continual growth, and just like anything living thing, the moment growth is stopped, it usually indicates a death has occurred.

**faints again**





Haha!

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Praise be to God! (And kudos to TrulyBlessed)

We're starting to walk on merger ground here.

I, being what this forum would call PCI, would say that a man is as saved when he repents from dead works and places his faith in the Living God as he will ever be this side of Glory, if he continues . . .

A PAJCer like StMatthew would say that a man is as saved as he will ever be this side of Glory after he completes Acts 2:38, if he continues . . .

StMatthew isn't saying that a life of holiness is not essential, and I'm not saying that baptism is optional; we are both expecting the same obedience from converts, and our difference is not found in how to be saved, but rather at what point salvation begins.

There is absolutely no salvation outside of Acts 2:38. The PCI were wrong back then at the merger, and anyone who still adheres to PCI doctrine concerning Salvation is wrong.

PAJCers say it best that a man is as saved as he will ever be this side of Glory after he completes Acts 2:38, if he continues . . .

[Joseph Miller]

I agree with TB and EE.