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Old 06-21-2007, 08:43 PM
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DO you not suppose that God, who inhabits all of time at once, could have breathed a prophetic utterance to the son? As i mentioned earlier In

Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam was created in the image of Jesus (God manifest in the flesh)

As far as God was concerned Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world

Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

God calls those things that are not as though they are.

Rom 4:17
17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

They are not, as far as we are concerned, but to God it is in existence

These are some of my thoughts on the subject. Although i suppose that no one really knows except for God.
I agree with your interpretation. We are made in the image of Christ.

According to his foreknowledge Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God. These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Because God lives in eternity, timelessness, and He knows the end from the beginning, He can say with certainty that the Son existed and speak in such a way even though the Son did not exist outside the foreknowledge and plan of God until the end of times.

There are a few others that are plausible as well except the Trinity. We can rule that out from verse 27.

HO, I haven't laughed that hard...you and your stethoscope... for awhile.
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Old 06-23-2007, 02:15 PM
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Has any one consider - the "trinity" (runs for cover)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Sola, To find a Trinity in Genesis 1, you have to read that doctrine into it. For instance in verse 26, let's use Trinitarian-type arguementation: There are two subjects in this verse, God and one or more who are other than God. (us). That would mean the, us, is not and cannot be God.

A Trinitarian has to read God in this verse very differently than it is written and would have to coax a reading of another who is God from the word, make.

Why don' t you show us how you could prove the Trinity from this verse and then answer why God in verse 27, the same God in verse 26 then is referred to with singular pronouns.
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:42 PM
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I agree with your interpretation. We are made in the image of Christ.

According to his foreknowledge Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God. These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Because God lives in eternity, timelessness, and He knows the end from the beginning, He can say with certainty that the Son existed and speak in such a way even though the Son did not exist outside the foreknowledge and plan of God until the end of times.

There are a few others that are plausible as well except the Trinity. We can rule that out from verse 27.

HO, I haven't laughed that hard...you and your stethoscope... for awhile.
Thanks for the reply, I was starting to feel kind of alone there. I am wondering what you meant in the last line about the stethoscope?
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Old 06-24-2007, 12:12 AM
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Thanks for the reply, I was starting to feel kind of alone there. I am wondering what you meant in the last line about the stethoscope?
It's something Heavenly One said in a post in this thread.
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If we are made in the image of Christ, does that refer only to his humanity? And if so, then we really were not made in the image of God but in the image of his body or human nature or what? See that makes no sense.

I was made in the image of the Divine Creator. Also, who was Christ made in the image of?
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:31 AM
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Thanks for the reply, I was starting to feel kind of alone there. I am wondering what you meant in the last line about the stethoscope?
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Old 06-24-2007, 10:37 AM
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If we are made in the image of Christ, does that refer only to his humanity? And if so, then we really were not made in the image of God but in the image of his body or human nature or what? See that makes no sense.

I was made in the image of the Divine Creator. Also, who was Christ made in the image of?
God doesn't have to make sense
The word says that Adam was created in the image of him that was to come. This he said refferring to Jesus.
It also says that all things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.
The word that created EVERYTHING was made flesh and dwelt among us
so man was created in the image of God made known in the flesh.
Please note that the word flesh here does not mean as we sometimes refer it "carnality" it just means flesh and blood.
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Old 06-24-2007, 10:39 AM
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:29 PM
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If we are made in the image of Christ, does that refer only to his humanity? And if so, then we really were not made in the image of God but in the image of his body or human nature or what? See that makes no sense.

I was made in the image of the Divine Creator. Also, who was Christ made in the image of?
Through the foreknowledge of God, Adam was made in the image of God which is Christ. I don't separate Christ's humanity from his deity (Nestorianism) , He is one human being who is God in the flesh.

When we see Jesus, we see God. He is our perfect example of how to live the way God created us to live. God in his human body is just as much God in Spirit. Jesus did not count it robbery to be equal to God, but he humbled himself as a man and submitted to the will of his Father.

The Son of God is the express image of the invisible God. If you want to see God, look at the Son. The Son is the ONLY image of God we will ever see and we are made like Him or in his image.

Prax, I'm not sure who the 'us' is in Genesis. But I believe what I've said above is true.
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:33 PM
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Some Apostolics lost their funny bone when the Spirit came in..........
LOL, I'm going back to work tomorrow and I'll be thinking about you and your stethescope when I listen to lung sounds, bowel sounds, etc......
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