Brother Ken Raggio 4 Global Minds

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yep Church, these men(post tribbers) say you are cursed by God to suffer this same fate as sinners will.

Sean what does it mean when Matthew 24:29 says, "immediately after the tribulation of those days."

[Evang.Benincasa]

John 17:15 Jesus prays that His followers wouldn't be taken out of the world, but that they would be protected. Why did Jesus say that? If they couldn't go through Tribulation?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sean, when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem wasn't that a tribulation? Yet, the Lord preserved a remnant through that destruction? Three Hebrew children went into the fire of the furnace heated seven times hotter. Yet, God preserved them within the fire. Because the Lord Himself was in the furnace with them. They weren't saved from their tribulation. Daniel was sent into the pit with the lions. God preserved Daniel in the midst of tribulation.

[Sean]

Did y'all see DB skeedaddle away from Rev 7-8?

He knows it is real bad stuff on the inhabitants of the earth.....real bad stuff.

He also knows that except the Lord shortens those days that NO flesh will be saved.

Like I said...bad stuff, that these men insist the Lord will put HIS PRECIOUS BRIDE through, like an abusive husband.

Saying the Lord will put His bride through His own wrath is like a husband arranging his wifes horrible murder.

Sick doctrine.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You thought right my brother.

Yet, Pre Tribulation rapture is no where in the scripture. Post Tribulationist is at least seeing some Book. While the Pre Tribber is not at all.

Οκ then. In which stage you think we are living today? I mean are we in the millennium or in the new earth and new sky?

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean, where was the pre trib catching away for the Hebrew when God brought plagues on Egypt? God preserves His people. In John 17:15 Jesus prays that His followers wouldn't be taken out of the world, but that they would be protected. Sean, at least become a post tribber.

Yes He pray only for the Apostles (who died like Jesus) and for the rest church in history because he wanted to punish them! They was not so spiritual like today's churches

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Amazingly hilarious that Sean is Pre Trib. Hey, Sean what does it mean when Matthew 24:29 says, "immediately after the tribulation of those days." You couldn't get any plainer than that.

Means "all you an-repented sinners (including apostles) will go through tribulation"

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

John 17:15 Jesus prays that His followers wouldn't be taken out of the world, but that they would be protected. Why did Jesus say that? If they couldn't go through Tribulation?

"He pray for Laodikia church only because was lukewarm. But the real worm christians like Sean are not including on this."

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean, when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem wasn't that a tribulation? Yet, the Lord preserved a remnant through that destruction? Three Hebrew children went into the fire of the furnace heated seven times hotter. Yet, God preserved them within the fire. Because the Lord Himself was in the furnace with them. They weren't saved from their tribulation. Daniel was sent into the pit with the lions. God preserved Daniel in the midst of tribulation.

Even if some prophesies are fulfilled on those days ,that does not means that they are just for those times:
Isaiah 8:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
We know that this prophesy (like many other,including psalms) is refering to a event that was accomplished on their days.
But Mathew see the full accomplishment of this prophesy in the days of Jesus.
So with that in mind we know that many prophesies have some early and some late accomplishment . I call them "double prophesies"

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sean

An angry devil is turned loose on the Spirit filled saints(church) to kill them?

Not likely.

This is the weakest possible defense of your doctrine. If satan is not murdering the believers right now pray tell WHO IS?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is the weakest possible defense of your doctrine. If satan is not murdering the believers right now pray tell WHO IS?

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



Michael....God's wrath on the inhabitants of the earth turns satan loose.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Sean

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



Michael....God's wrath on the inhabitants of the earth turns satan loose.

25 "And there shall be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, as the sea and the waves roar, 26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming upon the earth, for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

So the wrath of God is coming when He catch us away! The rapture happens after the tribulation of Antichrist (rev.14) and then immediately start the wrath of God against Satan and his followers.
Take time and read the revelation and try to understand the difference between the tribulation of Antichrist and the wrath of God.