What is the GOSPEL?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

The letter brings death (baptism)

Can't get any more antichrist than that! Hooboy.

The death of baptism is Christ's death that leads to resurrection life.

The Word brings new life.

The new life is part and parcel with the need to first die with Christ in His death.

His death is the only death that leads to resurrection new life. You take precious pearls of the Word and twist their meanings to become miry slops of muck. Can I hear an, "oink!"?

Jesus is the word. We get baptized into his death as a SEED is buried to rise in newness of Life. Except a seed fall int eh ground and die HIS DEATH it abides alone. When that seed rises it's not alone. It has MANY MORE on it. His death is what we
're buried into, and rise with Him in his resurrection to be on the many multiplied seeds of Himself, The fruit contains the seed that brings forth after its kind. And we are multiplications of Himself, as Adam multiplied. The seed that is buried that is death, is Adam's that you confuse to be Christ's How evil can it be to take the seed of Christ Christ and make it a death in contrast to the very same life that the same seed rises into?

You make Christ's death to contrast with His subsequent life. You miss the picture of the first Adam's figure of Him that came. You miss the entire principle of the death of the cross to be different than any other death, and the only death that leads to life, because you reject the cross in essence. The cross is a tree of life to us since it is Christ who died upon it. Anyone else's death on it would be the death you espouse about the holy baptism experience that faith ignites into spiritual experience. You diminish the cross to a salvation by works of our crosses being carried without any inkling of the need for Him on His cross alone. Fulfilling the law is salvation to you when it's what is truly the dead letter of the law without Christ's cross FIRST.

The cross of Jesus is a tree of life to the world, and Christ's flesh and blood that stood in our places is the fruit of life we eat and the river of life we drink to gain eternal life. Anyone else's cross would leave us dead. .Doing good and not doing evil is the salvation by works of the religions across the world that reject Christ's cross, and they're trees of death, with fruit that cruses. Without faith in His death in our places, any other religion is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Just learn what to do and what not to do and save yourself into heaven. Salvation by works of a crossless religious world.

how awesome is that? Christ dies for you, and you were still a sinner?

Not if I believed His death was for me and remitted my sins in the process! You have to learn about the high priesthood of Christ and his entrance into the true holiest of glory.

You did not care about Christ? You could not help Christ in any way, He had no ulterior motive? But He died for you anyway. Christ must be lifted up, amen. There are other baptisms, though; two more.

There is one more baptism that is God's will. Spirit. Water and then Spirit. The other baptism of fire is damnation.

you keep saying the same things here, so i will try and say something different now. The water baptism is the death to the Law, that you may go on to the new wine, and the old wine.

You're missing the parables over and again. Learn the word before you use its terms. We can't be janitors reading a book on brain surgery and think we know what we're reading.

Baptism is HIS DEATH that exits me from Adam seeing as birth got me into Adam. His death gets me out. My old man is crucified, so I get united to him in that death and then can say his burial is mine, his resurrection is mine, and even his seating in glory is mine. That gives me his name to use as if it were my own. IN POWER. Without the basic understanding fo the cross all the word becomes distorted.

You got a little taste of the new wine; maybe got no sleep for a day or two, talked a little funny to your old friends, etc. The process was started, but you could not handle the Word yet; you had no root yet, you were a babe yet, and needed the Milk of the Word, that is in the Book.

Without the cross you know nothing of what you speak. The wine is his blood taht remits sins. You cannot know this with a crossless, salvation by works, gospel.

and you are absolutely correct, it does me no good to say that i don't believe you when you say that, because you are not lying; we are just not yet in agreement. You have taken that in a different way, just like the doG and the guy are in two different worlds,

You failed to learn what the overall message is in the word and you mistakenly used the terms it uses and made your own definitions. And it all stems from your refusal to accept the cross. You're way beyond recovery it seems,,,, IT SEEMS. But others may get something from this.

sitting right next to each other. There is another way to grasp any statement that points to truth, because there are two sides to every story, a doctrine for every other doctrine, which is why that approach fails you. us.
Are you a priest? Or not?
Ok yes that is fine, only you are also a Temple, and you are the priest of that Temple, the Temple of Mike.

More twists.

Jesus is the HIgh priest and my only priesthood is in identity with Him.

You can walk through the door of Passover, no longer a slave, an heir and a child, beholden to servants, getting snake bit in the wilderness and looking to Christ like a snake on a pole, or you can--you will, whenever you like, whenever you are ready, there is no hurry, you do not have to change until you are ready to volunteer--get to the Promised Land, Mike.

Shaz, just drop it and believe int eh cross. Believe in the cross until you can't pass a muslim as you have and not try to show the death ,burial and resurrection. Believe in the cross until you live and breathe and see Christ's cross flow through your veins.

And there is power in the Name, yes. But you have nothing to point to, to prove that is true, in a Book that contains it all, and takes two years to read all the way through?

Oh how you miss it all.

Read a few verses of How he died and resurrected, and realize everything in that huge book is just giving various angels of those few verses. That's how powerful those few verses are. When you cannot see the cross in ever word and page, it looks like a lettered book of law. Actually that explains a lot!

What is wrong with this picture? You are relying on the Book, which is not the Word

You never heard of the word it seems.

. The Word is much nearer to you than that; it is here it is now. It is your intention. Yes. It is your intention to follow the Book, when the Word is just God's intention. God's Word does not return to Him void, right?

The word is God. The word was manifest in flesh and became the word. OIt was related in various ways including the bible.

Believe what the word says:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Then you must ask yourself why i am so confident that you cannot find that in the Book, since i did not write it either, Mike. Have a good day.

If you read this, if you read my post, and you still believe this, then you never so much as heard the word to begin with.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Learn what INSPIRATION means.

If it is letters to you, you missed more than what the universe can contain.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by shazeep View Post
The letter brings death (baptism)

Can't get any more antichrist than that!

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

[shazeep]

There is one more baptism that is God's will. Spirit. Water and then Spirit. The other baptism of fire is damnation.

yet you must go through the Wilder~ness

[shazeep]

Jesus is the HIgh priest and my only priesthood is in identity with Him.

you might see that this is Christ on a crucifix

[shazeep]

What is wrong with this picture? You are relying on the Book, which is not the Word

You never heard of the word it seems.

then show me that in the Book

[shazeep]

You accepted a story on faith,

No. I accepted truth on faith. And it worked miracles as a result.

then this one should be easy; show me in the Book where what you accepted was the Truth

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

If you read this, if you read my post, and you still believe this, then you never so much as heard the word to begin with.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Mike, you are saying that i am implying that the Book will not help you, when that is the very last thing i am saying; it is only what you are hearing. The Book is most excellent for all of that, and more. It is a Sord, to divide joint from marrow, and reveals the heart of a person like no other Book can, for me. It is the Breath of God, diluted, of course, because the Breath of God would cause us to die. And so It must be inspired, in such a way that little chunks can be bitten off and chewed.

I understand that you feel i come here to tech, when in fact i come here to learn. But, just like you, or any little child of God, i can only learn from my truth, what is true for me at the time. And so we make statements, that we present as Truth--because after all, we are not lying; you are not lying, and i am not lying, we are just presenting Truth as we understand it--truth.

We are no different from little children, discussing where babies come from ok? "Na ah, babies come from the stork!"
"They do not, mommy eats a brownie, and then a baby grows in her tummy."
"No they do not either..."

Which is why i say, and can confidently say again,
that i do not know what i am talking about.

And this is...this Truth is exactly why we must each Wander, each go through the Wilderness, to find Truth, and lose truth. Imo.

[shazeep]

Know that God Loves You, no matter who you are,
and you are just a little child of a God on the way to a Marriage;
and there is only one thing God requires of you now,
or will ever require of you, despite what anyone else on the planet
tells you is true, i don't care if they have wings, 4 faces, and wheels--
You must suffer the consequences of your sin.







That's it.





There is no judgement
for a baby who sticks his hand in a fire
and there is none necessary
because the baby is going to learn
the only way babies can learn.





and somewhere along the line you started adulting
although you cannot point to the day
and you started thinking about God
somewhere in there

so anyway, Creation manifesting
on just one thing and one thing only
you cannot escape the consequences
of your actions. While you are already forgiven
you will reap what you sow.

that is Word.
from which everything else flows
and there is nothing else that you can attribute to Word
except descriptions
and what is manifested is what will manifest
and that is never going to change

because God never changes
it is you that changed
and are not done changing
the same way a tree is not done growing
or a toddler is not done
sticking their hand in fires

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

And this is...this Truth is exactly why we must each Wander, each go through the Wilderness, to find Truth, and lose truth. Imo.

Jesus is Truth. He said so.

"I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE".

You don't have to find truth, if the TRUTH is in you...

John 15:26 "But when the COMFORTER is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the spirit of TRUTH...."

1 John 2:27 "But the annointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same annointing teacheth you of all things, and is TRUTH, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

Jesus is Truth. Jesus is the Word.

His words are recorded in written form - the Bible. Words that have lasted for thousands of years. The oldest pieces of literature in the world come from what we call the Word, the Bible.


Shaz... you are on a journey trying to find something that, as a believer, you should already have.