Standards

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

I wonder how those early church saints did it. Hmmm.

They had "standards", like if you were seen at the theater or colisseum you were excommunicated and shunned, like women wore headcoverings, and like if anyone offered a pinch of incense to Caesar just to keep them and their family from being butchered they were disfellowshipped and in a great number of cases would NEVER be allowed back even if they claimed to have repented.

In fact, 90% of modern American Christians (of ANY "brand") would completely NOT fit in with any church of say 100 years ago, let alone 1800 years ago.

Not to mention the preachers would be considered waaaay too "mean".

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

teach it to your children, like Scripture says, imo; and don't consider yourself a teacher of anyone else; then, people will want to learn from you.

Pretty awesome thought right there Shazeep!

In essence how we have taught our family modesty: Cover up body parts in such a way as to not bring undue attention to them, or yourself, and remember that actions as well as clothing can serve as unnecessary attention getters.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

They had "standards", like if you were seen at the theater or colisseum you were excommunicated and shunned, like women wore headcoverings, and like if anyone offered a pinch of incense to Caesar just to keep them and their family from being butchered they were disfellowshipped and in a great number of cases would NEVER be allowed back even if they claimed to have repented.

In fact, 90% of modern American Christians (of ANY "brand") would completely NOT fit in with any church of say 100 years ago, let alone 1800 years ago.

Not to mention the preachers would be considered waaaay too "mean".

Soo... are you saying that only Christian ladies wore headcoverings back in the NT time period? And what sort of "standards" would you be speaking of?

I do believe that if we were to go back in time to see just how things were in the early NT church, we would all be finding ourselves at quite a loss as to how to comprehend the differences in our culture.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

They had "standards", like if you were seen at the theater or colisseum you were excommunicated and shunned, like women wore headcoverings, and like if anyone offered a pinch of incense to Caesar just to keep them and their family from being butchered they were disfellowshipped and in a great number of cases would NEVER be allowed back even if they claimed to have repented.

Where is this recorded?

Not sure if you're being serious or just stirring the pot.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by n david

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very cool! (post 90, won't re-quote)

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by n david

Where is this recorded?

Not sure if you're being serious or just stirring the pot.

He is a pot stirrer

[shazeep]

? what part do you contest? i don't see anything very unbelievable there. strikes me as = "Christ would be ostracized from your church" type stuff. Times change. Christ prolly would not appear in the same fashion if His first coming were today.

[LOVE JESUS]

I have an honest question that I have never seen discussed on here - maybe it has and I missed it. Questian: If we are to go by Deut. 22:5 about women wearing men's apparrel, I see no difference in a pair of women's pants that I do a blouse. It is made in the form of a man's shirt. Are we allowed to wear sweat shirts (the long sleeve ones)?
FOR THE RECORD SAKE: I do not wear pants, shorts, sleevless blouses and pretty much abide by the earlier teachings. My hair is long below my shoulders but I do cut it so I am not be argumentive - just wondering how we can justify one and not the other. Please I do not want anyone to start arguing or say mean and hateful things - that is not my point but just curious. I personally do not criticize women in pants, makeup - I don't have time to worry about that.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So... what is to be taught?

"Just be modest"? Who defines it? "Oh the saints ought to be led by God."

Very well. EVERY church or movement that took that route, and just left it up to the saint and his or her God, has (in my experience) wound up full of "saints" who either look like they are going to a night club (aka "meat market") or they dress like "people of wal-mart".

The bible seems to give pretty good "standards" but since cross dressing is being determined to be okay and since apparently nothing written means what it looks like it says (gotta have a degree in ancient lingo to understand so you'll know it all was in reference to peculiar ancient customs no longer prevailing).... so what's to be done?

Why, pat each other on the back, tickle the ears a bit, rejoice in our advanced knowledge (we've come a long way baby!) and continue NOT having genuine revival.

Sure, why not? It's worked so far, eh?

Really? That's what you get my comments that people ought to be led by the Spirit? You really don't think that's possible do you? You can't trust that God loving people just might actually be able to discern modest and immodest?

As for people looking like a night club under the guise of "grace" or "liberty", well false converts often use whatever means are available to them to pass themselves off as true Christians while clinging to their worldliness. In standards churches its a little easier to mask, just fake tongues and dress right and everyone thinks you're saved.

[shazeep]

no kidding. it is an illusion--just more vanity.

Originally Posted by LOVE JESUS

I have an honest question that I have never seen discussed on here - maybe it has and I missed it. Questian: If we are to go by Deut. 22:5 about women wearing men's apparrel, I see no difference in a pair of women's pants that I do a blouse. It is made in the form of a man's shirt. Are we allowed to wear sweat shirts (the long sleeve ones)?
FOR THE RECORD SAKE: I do not wear pants, shorts, sleevless blouses and pretty much abide by the earlier teachings. My hair is long below my shoulders but I do cut it so I am not be argumentive - just wondering how we can justify one and not the other. Please I do not want anyone to start arguing or say mean and hateful things - that is not my point but just curious. I personally do not criticize women in pants, makeup - I don't have time to worry about that.

Well, your Q goes to the heart of the matter. Whom are you asking? Ostensibly someone more versed in "standards"--and by extension Scripture--than you are. But this is not how we are told to walk, according to Scripture. The Bible states, explicitly, that a believer should not be worrying about what they will wear. Seek to not offend, and let the Spirit be your guide. If this differs from what you are being "taught," then take a look at that, imo.