Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[Scott Hutchinson]

Take into account,that the Hebrew calendar is different from the Gregorian calendar,and the world is in different time zones.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

In the NT. where do we find any day set aside for worship,I thought we are to worship The Lord everyday ? Yes the apostles had the OT.,but aren't we to be founded upon the Apostles's doctrine ?

Dude, we see people gathered and the Gospel preached on the Sabbath... and daily in homes. Corporate gatherings were on the Sabbath. One chapter records an entire city gathered to hear the Gospel on the Sabbath. Lol

Can you find such gatherings on Sunday ANYWHERE in the NT?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Take into account...

Ya, and the world has changed since then; we don't work the same way. Still, there is that pesky ol' Commandment. Lol.

[Aquila]

No one has considered these thoughts...

Matthew 5:17-19 ESV
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Law of God hasn't been abolished...only the Law of Moses. Concerning the Sabbath, the Law of God states:

Exodus 20:8-11 ESV
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Can you find such gatherings on Sunday ANYWHERE in the NT?

No, it's pretty obvious that the Church morphed in the intervening years to Constantine, who "changed" the day officially. But I still believe that we are directed that it not become a wall. Personally I'm pretty sure there's a story there, at Constantine, about some early church split into Romanism and whatever else...the beginning of schisms. This might end up being the story here, as I believe we're about schismed out, and now beginning to come back together.

[bbyrd009]

"A time to scatter stones, and a time to bring them together."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

No, it's pretty obvious that the Church morphed in the intervening years to Constantine, who "changed" the day officially. But I still believe that we are directed that it not become a wall. Personally I'm pretty sure there's a story there, at Constantine, about some early church split into Romanism and whatever else...the beginning of schisms. This might end up being the story here, as I believe we're about schismed out, and now beginning to come back together.

Obedience vs. a pagan edict from Constantine a "schism"?

[Aquila]

Jesus said...

Matthew 5:17-19 ESV
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Law of God hasn't been abolished...only the Law of Moses. Concerning the Sabbath, the Law of God states:

Exodus 20:8-11 ESV
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Rest and worship. Frankly, it's the easiest commandment to obey.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus said...

Matthew 5:17-19 ESV
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Law of God hasn't been abolished...only the Law of Moses. Concerning the Sabbath, the Law of God states:

Exodus 20:8-11 ESV
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Rest and worship. Frankly, it's the easiest commandment to obey.

Perhaps it is but why are there no major denominations who's entire doctrine is based around other commandments?

Why isn't there a Thou Murderist Not church? Or a Covestist Not Thy Neighbors Wife Federation church? Or even an Excuse me, why doth thou needith a starship church?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Law of Moses. Not a jot or tittle shall pass from the Law of God until all is fulfilled.

What you call the Law of Moses was INSTITUTED by God. Circumcision was instituted by God. Isn't that also the law of Moses? Why don't you also preach circumcision?

And yes, the Law did not pass until ALL of the Law was fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled the Law.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Since you're dividing the Law of Moses from the Law of God, what Law is Paul talking about in Rom 8:4? are we required to fulfill the righteousness of the Law of Moses or the righteousness of the Law of God?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Sabbath keepers worship God every day, resting from the Law of Moses in Christ, yet also honor the Law of God regarding His gift of the Sabbath.

Yes. We obey the Fourth Commandment in our freedom, a law written on our hearts. If we love Him, we rejoice in obeying Him. And this we do.

My question was what exactly do you DO (or not DO) on that day? If you worship God everyday, what exactly makes the sabbath different?

Originally Posted by Aquila

What do non-Sabbath keepers get out of honoring a day admittedly instituted for worship exclusively by Roman Catholic authority without biblical precedent?

Ha...(can't speak for others), but I don't honor the day called Sunday. To me I regard everyday alike. I live to worship Jesus sunday through saturday. This is why I ask what exactly do you different on your sabbath day?

The Israelites had specific instruction on what to do and what not to do on the sabbath. How exactly do you obey God on the sabbath day? Is it just by saying "hey, today is the sabbath"