Pastor Goes Too Far With the "F" Word

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

Out of curiosity, I showed the video to two young black church musicians who came into where I work. First of all, the knew who the preacher was. Second, they laughed and thought it was great!

We apparently live in a different culture than others around us. He didn't say a cuss word! He just said the the letter "f", which he had already told the congregation stood for "forgiveness".

Do we just give the letter "f" to the devil? It is wrong to suggest that at your church "f" stands for "forgiveness"?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Since this pastor didn't even come within a million miles of violating one single verse of scripture or even scriptural principle, why don't we allow those who oversee him handle it? It's their business, not ours. It's not your church, it's theirs. If it works for them, let's cheer them on as they operate and produce results in their culture.

This is a discussion forum. We discuss things. A discussion isn't always an indictment on an individual, it's often a discussion of a method. We're currently discussing whether or not it's a good, wise thing to use FU in a sermon. Some think yes, some think no. So we discuss.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

Out of curiosity, I showed the video to two young black church musicians who came into where I work. First of all, the knew who the preacher was. Second, they laughed and thought it was great!

We apparently live in a different culture than others around us. He didn't say a cuss word! He just said the the letter "f", which he had already told the congregation stood for "forgiveness".

Do we just give the letter "f" to the devil? It is wrong to suggest that at your church "f" stands for "forgiveness"?

This is absolutely, 100%, a cultural issue....and I don't just mean "race." One of the things we talk a lot about on this forum is the cultural element that is contained in certain directives in the New Testament.

And the same standard applies here. Again I'll say, if the people in this video were inspired by the point and have no problem with it, IT'S NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. Period. It can't get any simpler than that.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Margies3

if AFF had a "like" button, I would have used it

I know where there is one!

But I would have had to push the "ridiculous" button for what you "liked". But dang it, we don't have one of those.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

This is a discussion forum. We discuss things. A discussion isn't always an indictment on an individual, it's often a discussion of a method. We're currently discussing whether or not it's a good, wise thing to use FU in a sermon. Some think yes, some think no. So we discuss.

So go ahead and discuss it and say that you wouldn't do it and would like it if it were done in your church. That's completely fair. For the record, I wouldn't do it either. Wouldn't work in my setting. But DON'T condemn this man and call him unwise and all the other things you've said. From all we can tell in this video, it was a smash hit and the editors even used the clip to promote the upcoming service. It worked for them, God bless them.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by notofworks

So go ahead and discuss it and say that you wouldn't do it and would like it if it were done in your church. That's completely fair.

That's what I did. And in discussing, it follows to say that I think it's an unwise thing to do. Wouldn't be much of a discussion if we didn't give our opinions. I generally try not to attack a person when I'm posting, but I can say that I think their actions are unwise.

I hope you remember this the next time Steve Epley comes on and says that he preaches in his church that you can't have facial hair and go to heaven. None of your business.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by notofworks

The F-word isn't "cussing."

THIS, is cussing:

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.


Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.


Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.


Eph 4:32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.




The F-word, the S-word, and other such words, are completely harmless. The Christian culture has demonized these words, while constantly participating in the words the scripture actually DOES prohibit.

F word harmless? Just when I think I've heard everything.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Largely, that's true. But it's also a very common word in the real world and I would suspect that this pastor was speaking to a congregation that he knows is from the demographic of the common usage of that word. If you don't want it in your church, fine. But why the rush to condemn this man in the church he shepherds? It was obvious from the reaction of the congregation that they "got it". If they did, it's really none of our business. If it worked there, fantastic! In no way whatsoever did he violate one tiny ounce of scripture! But I've seen TD Jakes, in the middle of a sermon, say, "Let me show you what tongues is" and proceed to rattle off tongues for a minute straight, and absolute violation of I Corinthians 14. It looked spiritual, sounded spiritual, and made him quite the hero, but it was completely against the bible.

But no one jumps on that. I've heard abusive language over and over again from the pulpit, which the bible prohibits, yet it gets a free pass.

But this guy uses something that will connect to his audience and the "puritans" throw a fit. Not fair.

One nutty thing doesn't justify another nutty thing.

[Truthseeker]

Goes to show how far the carnal mind can take us, gets so bad F word is not even cussing no more. Is this where not saved by works leads to?

[berkeley]

Funny, a few moderates and liberals speak up and are labeled as puritans.