Amazon sells book on Pedophilia

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

This is terrible, but it is the result of throwing out the word of God. If the Word of God is not the authority, there will truly remain no authority, all law will rest on the judicial system. In which case all that is needed is a liberal judge, and you get the stamp of approval on your immorality.
I agree with another of your posts in this thread in which you said we won't see this type of behavior become accepted anytime soon.

However if society as a whole eventually accepts homosexuality it will eventually devole into accepting all manner of sexual sin, including pedophilia.

Its not as though this has never happened, we read of how in Rome that homosexuality was so widespread that even some of the emporors parade young boys around publically whom they molested, and here was no punishment.

As homosexual acceptance grows in this country, so will sexual perversion. Obviously as homosexualaity is accepted morality will grow worse, as will pedophilia, seeing how that so many homosexuals themselves were sexually molested.

Furthermore, many cultures which have accepted homosexuality in the past, also accepted pedophilia, polygamy, incest, and beastiality. This type of behavior was much more widespread in the pagan cultures of the old testament, as gentile cultures have become more "enlightened" since Christ came. What I mean by that statement is that the gospel so affected the world, that despite the fact many peoples continue in disobedience, there remain some general moral restraints and christian influence, on modern society as a whole. However, because man is depraved the more they reject the revelation of God, the more God will take the restraints off, and "give them up", see Romans 1.

Personally, I think that we are a long way off from this widespread sexual debachery on the most extreme levels, but I do think we are headed in that direction, as does any people who "Know God, but glorify Him not as God, neither were they thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.... Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves." I do believe that Christ will return before we ever see that day.

Hits. Nail. On. Head.

This morning every news station, local and national is broadcasting the President signing the repeal of DADT. It's a special headline on my internet server.
It's the celebration of what God calls an abomantion.
There is such a thing as a slippery slope, but I agree with you, I beleive Jesus will return before we see too much more perversion accepted as normal, natural and sanctioned.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Jermyn, I am confused... Either you must have read the book OR you are making the case that one could not be arrested for anything they write in a book...

Let me be clear.

This guy should not have been targetted in the way he was targetted.

Freedom of the press is still one of our basic freedoms.


The good law he was arrested by has been misapplied-- and no one sees the danger or the sadness of this.


In the same way that his civil rights have been violated, others will be too. Everyday, I see attacks on the personal freedoms of Americans, but not very many are concerned.


He will eventually be vindicated of any wrong doing.

Not because America's morality is headed down the tubes (though this is true.)



He will be vindicated because his right to write and publish that book is protected under the U. S. Constitution.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Let me be clear.

This guy should not have been targetted in the way he was targetted.

Freedom of the press is still one of our basic freedoms.


The good law he was arrested by has been misapplied-- and no one sees the danger or the sadness of this.


In the same way that his civil rights have been violated, others will be too. Everyday, I see attacks on the personal freedoms of Americans, but not very many are concerned.


He will eventually be vindicated of any wrong doing.

Not because America's morality is headed down the tubes (though this is true.)



He will be vindicated because his right to write and publish that book is protected under the U. S. Constitution.

So you feel anything put in a book is protected, whether the content is legal or not?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

So you feel anything put in a book is protected, whether the content is legal or not?

I feel that if we are going to enforce any laws that restrict the publishing of criminal content, then we need to enforce them equally.


He was targetted because his book is extremely distasteful-- people searched for a way to get him, but ultimately they will fail.


It is my opinion that this man's right to publish that garbage is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

Whenever the Constitution is trampled, it's never a good day for Americans.

[Hoovie]

Of course I share your concerns about freedom of speech, but there are limits, and do we even know the actual content of the book? I'll give the law enforcement the benefit of doubt for now.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Of course I share your concerns about freedom of speech, but there are limits, and do we even know the actual content of the book? I'll give the law enforcement the benefit of doubt for now.

Not here.

His freedoms have been restricted because of something he wrote.

Doesn't anyone see the danger in this?

Doesn't anyone see the danger in the way he was apprehended-- the deceptive collusion of LOCAL law enforcement officers in different states?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I feel that if we are going to enforce any laws that restrict the publishing of criminal content, then we need to enforce them equally.


He was targetted because his book is extremely distasteful-- people searched for a way to get him, but ultimately they will fail.


It is my opinion that this man's right to publish that garbage is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

Whenever the Constitution is trampled, it's never a good day for Americans.

Are you thinking about First Amendment rights?

If they pose a threat of imminent danger, speech is not protected. I am not sure if this applies to the written word. There just may be a loophole of the obscenity laws the government can use.

[Socialite]

In looking at this story closer, I'm not terribly up in arms with Amazon.

"Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable. Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions," the company said.

Amazon sounds very much the free-market ideology here. There are no images, no how-to molest kids manual, according to the author's interview, and from the story I read, has much to do with his experience as a child having sexual acts with other younger children. I am in no way defending the book, but I tend to lean more toward supporting Amazon's decision and letting the market dictate what should be sold.

I hate that children are abused and harmed, and am aware of how wide-spread child molestation is. However, I think we are slightly jumping the gun on the book. I haven't seen or read anything about the book that makes me feel like it's illegal to publish this book. Sickening? Yes. Perverted? Sure. Illegal? No. What about the book is illegal to you guys?

It's also irrational how upset people are with Amazon, who are only standing by the ideal many of them espouse.

I like what one commenter put:

Wow, this book sure seems to have stirred up a lot of feelings in people, there seems to be a lot of concern here about the welfare of the children. Makes one feel all warm and fuzzy, except, with so many strongly stated comments, I’m caused to wonder, if there’s that many people concerned about the welfare of our children; why are our school systems in such atrocious conditions, why do we rank 18th and 19th in math and science skills compared with the rest of the world, why is the average high school dropout rate nearly 30% and nearly 70% among minority groups, and why do teachers have to build protection networks in schools to protect themselves from false molestation accusations?My only recourse is to believe that, people aren’t that concerned at all, that subjects like this is just a venue for people to sound off and be heard, it gives people an opportunity to feign concern. Otherwise, I’m inclined to think, the condition of our children’s welfare would be much better.Maybe, to get the necessary concern for these issues I should write a book entitled ‘How to Guarantee Your Child’s Failure’ or ‘How to Ruin a Nation Using the School System’ or better yet ’13 Ways to Screw Your Children and Your Neighbor’ that’d probably get your attention, wouldn’t it?All this “concern” … appears to be nothing more then so much prattle, a bunch of hypocrisy. If people really cared about the children's welfare, this wouldn’t be a subject concern.

Looks like the author was arrested recently anyway for violating a state obscenity law after mailing his only copy sold to federal agents. His defense attorney claims that book is mere words, no images, and that the author actually tries to redefine pedophilia as those who "love" and that he encourages pedos from acting out sexually. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...34-504083.html

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Are you thinking about First Amendment rights?

If they pose a threat of imminent danger, speech is not protected. I am not sure if this applies to the written word. There just may be a loophole of the obscenity laws the government can use.

A loophole to incarcerate him-- is that what we should be searching for?

[Socialite]

It's important to decide how we are approaching this topic: morally? legally? subjectively?