???? Says who? He has no right to experience emotions when feeling rejected over trivial matters?
Seriously scratching my head with you guys today.
Come on, Jeff. You know (and I would would think the one who started this thread knows) that standards are no trivial matter to those who hold them. His shock at the reactions of some of the folks in his church leaves some of us scratching our heads as well. This doesn't mean we condone their attitudes and actions.
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If the OP had said:
I started going to this church that had really strong standards. I decided I didn’t like that and found another moderate church to go to and I am shocked that the cons have reacted like I’m backslid.
My reply would have been “don’t worry about them, move ahead and find the place in God that you are comfortable with”
BUT
The OP said “I have long had leadership positions in my Conservative church”
You people don’t see the difference here? Leaders understand the nature of the people they lead.
Are people who subscribe to a teaching, maybe have doubts, but out of fear stifle scrutiny of those thoughts, but eventually decide they must act... and then they see the full picture of ugliness.... these have no right to have emotions about it? They just have to "man up" and "own up?"
Seriously not understanding you. I'm even trying.
I see you maybe with experience on AFF of people bashing Cons, who you say you are opposite of, and wanting to roll up the sleeves for them. This was a rush to judgement for a position that maybe you are an advocate of? Help me understand your irrational response.
Except for your last sentence (haha)... THUMBS UP.
Why not the last sentence? You should have seen me a few times when we (ok, just myself) would run into someone at a fast food joint and they would go into full "shun" mode. It is great fun to actually walk toward them and watch them react like a vampire to a cross.
Owning to his actions? Explain. Let's hypothetically say you aren't a cynic with the guy and you actually believe him. He's been in this church since knee high to a grass hopper. He becomes a "leader" (could be Sunday School teacher, youth leader -- anything). He realizes some things don't add up and he leaves. He's been part of this culture his entire life but only now is on the receiving end of pure ungodliness. He is shocked.
You come along and yell at his to "own up?"
Lovely.
pssst.... been there done that got the t-shirt.
When you leave, expect the hit. You leave because you BELIEVE that the change in biblical and necessary. But you take responsiblity for yourself.
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Come on, Jeff. You know (and I would would think the one who started this thread knows) that standards are no trivial matter to those who hold them. His shock at the reactions of some of the folks in his church leaves some of us scratching our heads as well.
His shock is how they are treating him.
And passing them off as not trivial and praying for his soul is a whole different level. Either way, maybe he never realized how nasty these sweet little people he called his family could be. Why does he have no room here for that? That's what this forum is saying. "Man up, own up, get out of here. We don't believe you. Surprised? How can you be. Shame on you." It's ridiculous.
Relating his emotions of how he is experiencing this should be expected by many of you as well. So try having patience and showing a little love before you make a rush to judgement.
When you leave, expect the hit. You leave because you BELIEVE that the change in biblical and necessary. But you take responsiblity for yourself.
psst. Got the t-shirt as well.
If you've truly been there, you should show more mercy.
This isn't about "taking responsibility." How is it? He's shocked at relationships he thought were strong slip away and turn into judgemental sound bytes. What's so hard to understand about that?
Jeffrey and you don't think people would pray for someone going to a conservative church from a liberal church and warn with sharp rebuke that they might be falling from grace? You act like this is one way. I have seen liberals not want to be around people in the SAME church when they went from conservative to liberal and the conservatives never say anything negative. Yet what did you hear.... constant getting the conservatives to go there way and undermining anything a conservative person would say. If you where not in the liberal click they would not ask you because you might be a fun stopper and they might not do what they wanted to do because you might refrain nicely without causing a stir. Don't give me the the BAD CONSERVTIVE TRASH! It happens on both sides!
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