Supreme Court to Hear Case on Obama

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

We already have that proof. That is a well-known fact. No one seems to have proof that he is not an American citizen.

No we don't have that. No it is NOT a well known fact. Some say they do have that proof...but who knows who is lying?

IF he really had a legitmate birth certificate there would be no need to spend 2 million dollars to keep from producing it.

The copy you have seen on websites has been proven to be a fake. Not only that it was not what is called the long form that documents doctors name and etc.

But you go ahead and drink the koolaide and believe what they are telling you. After all we know the government would never fire someone for asking proof of a mere birth certificate.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Esther

No we don't have that. No it is NOT a well known fact. Some say they do have that proof...but who knows who is lying?

IF he really had a legitimate birth certificate there would be no need to spend 2 million dollars to keep from producing it.

He does have a legitimate birth certificate, given to him by the state of Hawaii. It was thoroughly vetted during his campaign. The reason he is not laying down for the lawsuits is that the people filing them do not have any standing to do so, and because he has already given them what they have asked for. From one judge that dismissed a suit:

"In dismissing one such suit, Judge R. Barclay Surrick, of federal district court in Philadelphia, said an aim of the standing doctrine is to prevent courts from deciding questions "where the harm is too vague." He observed that a disgruntled voter who suffered no individual harm "would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123440666520775795.html

Originally Posted by Esther

The copy you have seen on websites has been proven to be a fake. Not only that it was not what is called the long form that documents doctors name and etc.

Again, who has proven it fake? The application to get a copy of your birth certificate from Hawaii does not provide an option for long form or short form. You can view the application to get a copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate here:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-recor...l_records.html

Originally Posted by Esther

But you go ahead and drink the koolaide and believe what they are telling you. After all we know the government would never fire someone for asking proof of a mere birth certificate.

Again, if you have proof or sources, please share them. I am not above eating crow.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I am not a liberal Democrat.

I am stating that this is the last time I will post on this ignorant thread.


Folks who believe this conspiracy question others when they believe their conspiracies.

Bottom line: God has ordained for America to be a country where the idiots can live and revel in their ignorance.


God bless the USA!

Republicans For Obama 2012!!!

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Twisp

He does have a legitimate birth certificate, given to him by the state of Hawaii. It was thoroughly vetted during his campaign. The reason he is not laying down for the lawsuits is that the people filing them do not have any standing to do so, and because he has already given them what they have asked for. From one judge that dismissed a suit:

"In dismissing one such suit, Judge R. Barclay Surrick, of federal district court in Philadelphia, said an aim of the standing doctrine is to prevent courts from deciding questions "where the harm is too vague." He observed that a disgruntled voter who suffered no individual harm "would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123440666520775795.html

Again, who has proven it fake? The application to get a copy of your birth certificate from Hawaii does not provide an option for long form or short form. You can view the application to get a copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate here:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-recor...l_records.html

Again, if you have proof or sources, please share them. I am not above eating crow.

Exactly!! The courts of the U.S. have ruled it's a valid birth certificate. I'll take their word over someone who hasn't had the chance to look at all of the evidence in a non-biased manner.

I ordered a replacement birth certificate from the state of Arkansas a few years back. Does that mean I don't have a valid or "real" birth certificate?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Exactly!! The courts of the U.S. have ruled it's a valid birth certificate. I'll take their word over someone who hasn't had the chance to look at all of the evidence in a non-biased manner.

The Courts have NEVER ruled that Obama has a valid birth certificate. NEVER.

Obama has spent 2 million dollars arguing that the plaintiffs don't have standing to be in Court. Consequently, no Court has ever examined the birth certificate.

If such a case was going to trial, Hawaii could be forced to release all records on Obama without his permission. That has yet to happen.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Republicans For Obama 2012!!!

SOS and it's not the Song of Solomon

[coadie]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Exactly!! The courts of the U.S. have ruled it's a valid birth certificate. I'll take their word over someone who hasn't had the chance to look at all of the evidence in a non-biased manner.

I ordered a replacement birth certificate from the state of Arkansas a few years back. Does that mean I don't have a valid or "real" birth certificate?

Your claim as far as I know is dishonest. Actually Name a court that has seen it, called for it by reason of requests for production or admitted as evidence.
I know you can't name a judge that has a case, has heard the case and the original has been submitted and seen.

Actually all these cases will end and be forever over when he actually produces it. For all we know, it has been destroyed. I also know that judges do not accept a printed screen from the web as evidence.

By the way, when you "ordered" a birth certificate, did they tell you yours was a mere pic on the web or did they send you a real one by mail including a raised imprinted seal?

Obama has NOT been ordered by a court to produce one. I do not know if he would comply.

There have been no cases filed, heard and ruled on yet.

It may happen soon. People are getting fed up with the dictator and his taking over healthcare and taxes. His charisma is running out.

HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.

"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.

It looks like no one has looked at it. She won't release it.

Hospital generated original. Mike. You do not know what hospital generated means. it has their name on it. Docs name. signatures.

Who has seen it?

The leftists keep covering and denying. Snopes got blindsided. They were wrong.

[MikeinAR]

So roadie and Newman, what is it exactly that you all are questioning specifically that would invalidate Barack Obama's birth certificate? What seems suspect to you?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

So roadie and Newman, what is it exactly that you all are questioning specifically that would invalidate Barack Obama's birth certificate? What seems suspect to you?

MikeinAR- I am trying not to get pulled back into this. But the simple answer is Obama's been careful not to leave footprints for most of his life. Why?

Why spend $2 million dollars on attorney fees to get cases thrown out of court for lack of standing rather than produce the $15 LONG FORM birth certificate?

When someone with standing (Reservist Major Cook) comes along, the military folds rather than begin proceedings yesterday. Why?

What rational answer is there for allowing a significant portion of the country to think Obama is hiding something if he isn't?

Even some of the liberals are no longer buying it. [caution/language]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0CKj...layer_embedded

[Esther]

All of this matters because President Obama has still not provided simple, incontrovertible proof of his exact birthplace. That information would be included on his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate which Obama has steadfastly refused to release amid a flurry of conflicting reports.

WND has reported that just within the last week, at least two reports have cited Obama's birth in Kenya. Wikipedia also was found to have been reporting on Obama's birth in Kenya, before a series of scrubs placed his birth in Honolulu.

That came on the heels of several online information sites changing the president's supposed birthplace from one hospital in Hawaii to another, after WND broke the news of the letter said to be from the White House.

WND has yet to be able to identify any physician or medical attendant present at Kapi'olani in 1961 who can recall Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, giving birth to Barack Obama at the hospital or who can identify the name of the attending physician.

Now the Department of Defense has allegedly compelled a private employer to fire a U.S. Army Reserve major from his civilian job after he had his military deployment orders revoked for arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

IF I say again IF he really was born in the states I believe he would have gladly shown proof of such, and I am truly amazed the Congress has not demanded proof.