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[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rrford

LOL! SOunds to me as if you actually think BC's exist to make money. I don't know of too many that even break even.

By the bolded SOME I assume there are some sour grapes in the bunch.

Well this guy had an agenda. I think that is wrong.

Absolutely there are sour grapes.

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I am blessed with one a pastor that is near or at genius level. He speaks English and russian.

His wife speaks 5 languages and has a masters in education.

Pastor came to us 7 years ago @ 28 yrs old with no bible school.

He did have degree in business and also had a level of bible knowledge that he acquired thru self discipline..hitting th e books and studying it out. He was raised int he church and was a champion bible quizzer and then a coach.

He has been taking classes on line and is "the Jonathan program" at UGST, traveling to the 4 hours to St Louis toattend week long sessions.

He'll be finishing up his degree their soon.


BUT Secular Education came first.

The mentality that was prevalent when I came in to church 37 yrs ago..well all my pastors kids dropped out of high school at age 16 and took their GED's and then went into "daddy's used car business"

College was frowned upon...surely no one was strong enough to live for God and go to classes taught by those huministic new age proffesssers.


So SAD to hear that some of this ignorance still is out there in our ranks.

It was logging or roofing where I grew up. lol. I only went to college because my cousin was going... I can tell you that no one EVER encouraged me to get any higher education, including my parents or anyone else in my family, I just did it out of peer pressure. Thank God for peer pressure.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I have friends who are both, that's how I can verify it. I'm a Project Manager for one of the largest engineering and construction companies in the world, with over 50,000 employees, ranging from architects to engineers to managers. I know what I make, and I know how much I pay the union welders that I employ on my job sites. Good enough?

And, I'm not sure where you live, but in my experience, employers are more concerned about a degree than a skill level when viewing resumes. I'll agree that if you can get your foot in the door somewhere and prove yourself, your experience and skill is more valuable, but trust me on this one, many people without a degree will NEVER have the opportuity to even get in the door to prove themselves.

Amen

[Just a Shepherd]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

That flawed concept was pushed and is still being pushed by people who want TO MAKE MONEY off of BC. That flawed concept is pushed by the UPCI. That flawed concept is pushed by men and women who do not have the best interest of our youth at heart.

Who will be there to help these kids when their peers make twice the money they do? Certainly not the BC or the UPCI.

My first pastor graduated from TBC at 23 he is now 51 and a medical doctor, he also pastors a church. Did Bible college hurt him? No, in fact his degree from TBC was accepted as entrance to nursing program and that's how he started down the medical road. He isn't hurting financially.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

My first pastor graduated from TBC at 23 he is now 51 and a medical doctor, he also pastors a church. Did Bible college hurt him? No, in fact his degree from TBC was accepted as entrance to nursing program and that's how he started down the medical road. He isn't hurting financially.

How many of our kids are told BC is enough? That it is THE answer? That they will get a great education?

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I have friends who are both, that's how I can verify it. I'm a Project Manager for one of the largest engineering and construction companies in the world, with over 50,000 employees, ranging from architects to engineers to managers. I know what I make, and I know how much I pay the union welders that I employ on my job sites. Good enough?

And, I'm not sure where you live, but in my experience, employers are more concerned about a degree than a skill level when viewing resumes. I'll agree that if you can get your foot in the door somewhere and prove yourself, your experience and skill is more valuable, but trust me on this one, many people without a degree will NEVER have the opportuity to even get in the door to prove themselves.

I agree with Michael as well... and also those averages do not work because of the vast difference in cost of living in different areas. $55K in Tulsa is much different than $55K in California or New York. If I remember correctly a garbage man in NYC makes in the 70's or 80's.

There is also a difference between starting salaries and your potential income after staying with a company for a long while... yes experience is important, but experience + education will usually win over just experience. At some point you reach a level where you have to go into management to continue to grow and that is usually where the degree comes in.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by rrford

So now we are all going to tell "Success Stories?" There are plenty on both sides of the issue.

You got success stories out of that? OK.

[Felicity]

A degree does give you advantages - no doubt about it. You can go most anywhere in the world -- talking especially here about 3rd world countries including Communist and otherwise -- if you have a degree.

Our daughter went to an accredited Bible college so she has a degree that lets her into a lot of countries and gives her opportunities she might not have without it but in North America that degree isn't worth a whole lot really. She's planning to go back to school (university) and get the credits she needs for a full blown B.A. or otherwise.

However, she's doing okay for herself at this point. She's not living on the street for sure.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I agree with Michael as well... and also those averages do not work because of the vast difference in cost of living in different areas. $55K in Tulsa is much different than $55K in California or New York. If I remember correctly a garbage man in NYC makes in the 70's or 80's.

There is also a difference between starting salaries and your potential income after staying with a company for a long while... yes experience is important, but experience + education will usually win over just experience. At some point you reach a level where you have to go into management to continue to grow and that is usually where the degree comes in.

Maybe I'll help someone who is reading this thread. This is EXACTLY where I am at. There are certain doors closed to me because I did not receive an accredited degree. I am thinking about going back to college at 39 years old.

I will not be a party to my kids making the same mistake I did.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Felicity

A degree does give you advantages - no doubt about it. You can go most anywhere in the world -- talking especially here about 3rd world countries including Communist and otherwise -- if you have a degree.

Our daughter went to an accredited Bible college so she has a degree that lets her into a lot of countries and gives her opportunities she might not have without it but in North America that degree isn't worth a whole lot really. She's planning to go back to school (university) and get the credits she needs for a full blown B.A. or otherwise.

However, she's doing okay for herself at this point. She's not living on the street for sure.

If we had an accredited BC, my kids would be there in a heartbeat.