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Old 06-04-2008, 12:36 PM
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Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination

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That's the point I've been trying to make...we've been getting a lot of information from talking heads on all sides, but very little news. I believe that given the global climate (political, social, financial, and environmental) and the decisions that have jeopardized our standing in each of these areas, this will be a very important decision. I'm tired of all the partisan "pundits" and extremists on all sides with the scare tactics and innuendos.
It is impossible to make wise decisions with flawed and skewered information.
Hey, brother, you're preaching to the choir!
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:38 PM
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DT ... most liberal? Anymore liberal than Clinton was?

Surely we became socialists in the 90's

Give me a break. Let's have a serious discussion.

He's a Senator like McCain ... hello.
His own senate peers labeled Obama the most liberal
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:44 PM
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Hey, brother, you're preaching to the choir!
Yeah, well I've been a music director long enough to know that they need it the most .
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:46 PM
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His own senate peers labeled Obama the most liberal
George, I believe it was the National Journal that labeled him as such. I'm not sure the other Senators voted on that.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:49 PM
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Hey, brother, you're preaching to the choir!
Maybe your choir. Not mine.

It is silly for concerns about Obama to just be waved off as having come from "talking heads" on TV.

By any measure he is an extremely liberal Senator. That is FACTUAL from his voting record and previous publicly stated positions. Not from a talking head.

His past close associations are FACT not from some talking head.

No "talking head" forced him to sit for 20 years in a radical church under a radical pastor espousing Black Liberation Theology and accusing the Federal Government of creating AIDS to kill Black people!!!

Puleeeze!!! Stop it with the idea that we are all just stupid numb robots listening to talk radio. We have brains and see the evidence.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:52 PM
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Maybe your choir. Not mine.

It is silly for concerns about Obama to just be waved off as having come from "talking heads" on TV.

By any measure he is an extremely liberal Senator. That is FACTUAL from his voting record and previous publicly stated positions. Not from a talking head.

His past close associations are FACT not from some talking head.

No "talking head" forced him to sit for 20 years in a radical church under a radical pastor espousing Black Liberation Theology and accusing the Federal Government of creating AIDS to kill Black people!!!

Puleeeze!!! Stop it with the idea that we are all just stupid numb robots listening to talk radio. We have brains and see the evidence.
Wow!!! Settle down, CC1!

No one stated or implied, at least that I was aware of, that you were a stupid numb(?) robot! Take a deep breath! I am not here to argue, fight or stoop to name calling, friend.
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Old 06-04-2008, 12:57 PM
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Maybe your choir. Not mine.

It is silly for concerns about Obama to just be waved off as having come from "talking heads" on TV.

By any measure he is an extremely liberal Senator. That is FACTUAL from his voting record and previous publicly stated positions. Not from a talking head.

His past close associations are FACT not from some talking head.

No "talking head" forced him to sit for 20 years in a radical church under a radical pastor espousing Black Liberation Theology and accusing the Federal Government of creating AIDS to kill Black people!!!

Puleeeze!!! Stop it with the idea that we are all just stupid numb robots listening to talk radio. We have brains and see the evidence.
CC I would never make that sort of broad generalization about people that I have never met or know very little about. My whole point agrees with your line about seeing the evidence. I just want to see facts. It is not enough for me to have a faceless group of people tell me that he votes the most liberal. I wanted to see the actual votes and the actual issues and see the criteria and determine for myself whether I agree or disagree with his votes.
According to the rating system, they tell you that they are not grading him as it relates to the issues, but instead on how his votes compare to other politicians. In this day of partisan politics that is not enough for me. I had to see the actual votes and the actual issues.

Here is the link, if anyone is interested. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/votes.htm
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now we are gettin somewhere, lol, let the games begin, lol
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Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination

Here is what I know. he wants to raise my taxes, he wants to increase spending by a trillion dollars, and he wants to loose the war in Iraq. AND he will appoint idiots like Ginsburg to the supreme court.

AND he wants to nationalize health care.

I dont care if he is more conservitive than Attila the Hun. If he wants to do the above, he needs to be elected sewage system cleaner not president.
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Re: Barak Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination

For example...just to illustrate my point. This is the first vote that is listed:

Establish a Senate Office of Public Integrity to handle ethics complaints against senators. January 18. (27-71) C-1

Obama's vote of Yes is in keeping with what they consider to be the votes of Liberal politicians so that is one in the "negative" ledger.
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