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Old 03-16-2007, 06:06 PM
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I received this e-mail from a person named Russell and thought I would share it with you. It seems that Russell has some issues with us in the UPC ministry. I can't say I completely disagree with him, some things are spot on, but things like this are never received well.

What do you think? Is Russell a prophet? Should his warning be heeded?



By the way Russell's e-mail is russheibner@sbcglobal.net if you want to comment to him directly.
There is another thread about this very email. I know Russell personally, but haven't seen him in about three years. Don't worry about anything he says. He's kinda 'out there'.
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Old 03-16-2007, 06:51 PM
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There is another thread about this very email. I know Russell personally, but haven't seen him in about three years. Don't worry about anything he says. He's kinda 'out there'.
Even people that are "out there" can't always be dismissed entirely though, right? He makes at least some valid points.
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Even people that are "out there" can't always be dismissed entirely though, right? He makes at least some valid points.
Which would you consider valid?
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Old 03-16-2007, 06:56 PM
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Even people that are "out there" can't always be dismissed entirely though, right? He makes at least some valid points.
Sure. I could make valid points also, but it's from my POV, right?

Some would agree, some wouldn't, but that doesn't necessarily mean I should be taken seriously.

Like I said, I know him personally. There is more here than meets the eye.
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Old 03-16-2007, 07:16 PM
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Which would you consider valid?
Some of the things he says are indeed happening. Some are putting money before the message and for some opulence and fine clothing are more important than a prayer life.

Like I said some of his points are valid.
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Old 03-16-2007, 07:17 PM
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Sure. I could make valid points also, but it's from my POV, right?

Some would agree, some wouldn't, but that doesn't necessarily mean I should be taken seriously.

Like I said, I know him personally. There is more here than meets the eye.
So how did he get my e-mail? Does he mine the UPC site for addresses?
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Some of the things he says are indeed happening. Some are putting money before the message and for some opulence and fine clothing are more important than a prayer life.

Like I said some of his points are valid.
Those points have always been valid and have always been happening. They're very general. Anybody could make those points.
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Old 03-16-2007, 07:40 PM
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Those points have always been valid and have always been happening. They're very general. Anybody could make those points.
Personally, I see it happening more rather than less so in my mind it's a trend.
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Old 03-16-2007, 07:48 PM
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Some of the things he says are indeed happening. Some are putting money before the message and for some opulence and fine clothing are more important than a prayer life.

Like I said some of his points are valid.
None of those things are new to the UPC. Those things have went on for years among certain preachers and pastors. Old news, really.
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