Other upci splits - Page 2

Sam · #11 07-28-2010, 07:59 PM

I have ordination in two groups.
One is the CoJCI (Churches of Jesus Christ International) which is an OP group that developed out of the Church of Jesus Christ chartered in 1927 by Bishop Mark Lawson.
The other group is our local church, the Hamilton Dream Center, which is trinitarian.

Last Sunday night I drove 156 miles (round trip) to visit a church pastored by a CoJCI minister that I had not personally met before. He had two ministers (a husband and a wife) from Louisiana ministering who also belong to the CoJCI. Also present was a Bishop from an OP group called Apostolic Church of the Living God and an independent OP minister who goes to a UPC church. All the ministers were treated equally. We all considered one another brothers and sisters and part of the Body of Christ.

Sabby · #12 10-21-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by THX4GRACE

Can anyone confirm the various splits withing the UPC and basic reasons for them? I'm reading some varying dates and reasons for some of the splits.

1945 PCI and PAJC Merged to form UPC

1948 Some former PAJC members pulled away from UPC over race issues
1955 Former PAJC members legally re-chartered PAJC
1968 Members split over UPC being too liberal and formed AMF
1990s Members split over Westberg Resolution
2008 Members split over TV

In 1954, Van Hoose and Nulisch started the IMA over issues of autonomy, I believe.

pelathais · #13 10-21-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by THX4GRACE

Can anyone confirm the various splits withing the UPC and basic reasons for them? I'm reading some varying dates and reasons for some of the splits.

1945 PCI and PAJC Merged to form UPC

1948 Some former PAJC members pulled away from UPC over race issues
1955 Former PAJC members legally re-chartered PAJC
1968 Members split over UPC being too liberal and formed AMF
1992 Members split over Westberg Resolution
1997 pelathais left in general disgust over the sinfulness and adultery of "ultra-cons"
2008 Members split over TV - forming WWPF

added specificity for ya.

hawks-cry · #14 10-21-2010, 04:21 PM

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1997 pelathais left in general disgust over the sinfulness and adultery of "ultra-cons"

Who (or what) is "pelanthias"?
Also,...I have been trying to find some info concerning the AMF (yeah,..I know that they don't believe in the internet,...so can't find out much there). Anyhow,...I was there in Houston in 1968,...and saw the split. There was an AMF "Bible College" the year later (but it wasn't really official, I think). I am trying to remember the name of a pastor that pastored a small AMF church there in Houston,.(1968-1971)...but can't for the life of me recall his name!!!! There were two brethern in the small church at the time,...a Bro, Johnson (I believe) and a Bro. Bill Pellow. (Pellow was a young new AMF minister,...the other fellow wasn't a preacher. Anyone have any info,..or memories of this?
Oh great! Just now saw that "pelathias" is your user name,........................OKAAAAAAAAY (my face is red) <blush>

Hoovie · #15 10-21-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by THX4GRACE

Can anyone confirm the various splits withing the UPC and basic reasons for them? I'm reading some varying dates and reasons for some of the splits.

1945 PCI and PAJC Merged to form UPC

1948 Some former PAJC members pulled away from UPC over race issues
1955 Former PAJC members legally re-chartered PAJC
1968 Members split over UPC being too liberal and formed AMF
1990s Members split over Westberg Resolution
2008 Members split over TV

I don't think any of these constitute a "split". All were less than ten percent of constituency. The WWPF perhaps came close - but remember those who originally "signed up" were under wrong impression that they could stay UPC if they chose to. When it became clear that would not be tolerated, a significant number recanted there allegiance to the World Wide Wrestling group.

Sabby · #16 02-07-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by commonsense

I wouldn't label everthing as a split. Sometimes it's a joint decision to better serve both parties.

The oneness apostolic movement in my hometown dates to about 1920.

My grandmother was witnessed to by a neighbor in 1929 and she and her children began attending and in 1930 my dad was baptized and received the Holy Ghost.

In the mid to late 40's the black members of the congregation left to begin their own group and joined the PAW. To the best of my understanding it was not a "split".

There was a split in 1953 or 54. Since I was quite small I'm not a good source but as I recall from my mother ....the pastor was out of town alot preaching, often for his brother. The congregation was not happy about it.
At this time another minister came to town with a winning personality. He had a TV program (yes, mid 50's) and managed to attract a large portion of the UPC group. At least 1/2 left and joined this independent work...pastor was trinity.
After a couple years several of these returned to the "fold".

While I was in Bible School there was another smaller "split".

Since we're dealing with people, there will always be differences of opinion.

The split in 53 or 54 was more than likely when Van Hoose and Nulisch pulled out to form the International Ministerial Association (IMA)

Steve Epley · #17 02-07-2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by THX4GRACE

Can anyone confirm the various splits withing the UPC and basic reasons for them? I'm reading some varying dates and reasons for some of the splits.

1945 PCI and PAJC Merged to form UPC

1948 Some former PAJC members pulled away from UPC over race issues
1955 Former PAJC members legally re-chartered PAJC
1968 Members split over UPC being too liberal and formed AMF
1990s Members split over Westberg Resolution
2008 Members split over TV

The split in 1968 from which the AMF was formed was not over lib verses con but rather New Testament Church Government. The Sovereign Church was the issue not holiness issues.
In the early 50's those involved in the 'latter rain' movement(Kidson-Vanhoose-Varnell-Coots-Outlaw-Hokstra) formed the International Ministers Association.

Socialite · #18 02-07-2011, 11:34 PM

A cursory review of Pentecostal review will reveal a "movement" that consists of schism after schism and split after split. Nothing has changed. It will continue as well.

Steve Epley · #19 02-08-2011, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hawks-cry

Who (or what) is "pelanthias"?
Also,...I have been trying to find some info concerning the AMF (yeah,..I know that they don't believe in the internet,...so can't find out much there). Anyhow,...I was there in Houston in 1968,...and saw the split. There was an AMF "Bible College" the year later (but it wasn't really official, I think). I am trying to remember the name of a pastor that pastored a small AMF church there in Houston,.(1968-1971)...but can't for the life of me recall his name!!!! There were two brethern in the small church at the time,...a Bro, Johnson (I believe) and a Bro. Bill Pellow. (Pellow was a young new AMF minister,...the other fellow wasn't a preacher. Anyone have any info,..or memories of this?
Oh great! Just now saw that "pelathias" is your user name,........................OKAAAAAAAAY (my face is red) <blush>

Verbal Bean pastored in Houston but it wasn't a small church they ran aound 400.

*AQuietPlace* · #20 02-08-2011, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The split in 1968 from which the AMF was formed was not over lib verses con but rather New Testament Church Government. The Sovereign Church was the issue not holiness issues.

Could you explain? How did their views differ?