Why Acts 2:38?

[mfblume]

More thoughts on 1 Peter 3.

Romans 6's baptism is not generally agreed upon as referring to water baptism. Many think it is a "dry" baptism, since it is simply not talking about immersion in water. However, all agree 1 Peter 3 is about water baptism. And 1 Peter 3 through to 4 shows us the same details of Romans 6''s and Romans 8's references to baptism.

Peter said in the first few verses of 1 Pet 4 that baptism is related to ceasing from sin and not living the rest of our lives to the lusts of the flesh. Romans 6 says the same thing. After baptism into Christ's death, we can say we are crucified so that the body of the sins of the flesh is destroyed so we should not serve sin. Romans 8 picks up on this and says we're quickened to resurrect with Christ so we are no longer debtors to live after the flesh.

In short, if 1 Pet 3 is about water baptism, then Romans 6 must be as well! And if that is the case, we enter Christ's death by faith-engendered baptism into that death! How VITAL is that????

Originally Posted by mfblume

I feel blessed from what I feel the Lord gave to me regarding BAPTISM DOTH ALSO NOW EVEN SAVE US in 1 Peter 3.

I just re-read this passage again in its entirety, and believe I have found some nuggets that are priceless indeed! For those interested, let me share them.

1 Peter 3:18-22 KJV For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: (19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (22) Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Verse 18 sets the picture. Jesus died in the flesh and was quickened by the Spirit.
Keep this in mind as we read on.

It was by that same Spirit that quickened Him that he preached to the spirits in prison. This is a controversial passage, but of no consequence in the overall issue of water baptism. However, I believe it is saying that Noah preached in his day to those who are now in "prison" as spirits. since they disobeyed Noah and perished, in the anointing of the Spirit of Christ. He preached about salvation by water, which of course meant entrance into the ark.

Peter then stated that the picture of Noah preaching in the anointing of the Spirit for the people to be saved by water (regardless if we have a Genesis account of that preaching or not, the point is the same) is a figure of how baptism saves us. Baptism of course involves water.

Peter gave a disclaimer in parentheses, saying the salvation is not cleansing filth of the flesh, so that we do not derive a legalistic merely mechanical concept where faith is not required. And then Peter proceeded to state how the salvation in baptism is possible.

...baptism doth also now save us ... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Consider those words. Baptism saves by the resurrection of Jesus.

I believe this is inseparable from the understanding we find in Romans 6 regarding baptism. There, Paul stated that the entire reason we are baptized into Christ's death is because Christ resurrected from His death. In other words, we will share His resurrection if we enjoin ourselves to His death. Since He resurrected from His death, when we are baptized into that death we will likewise, therefore, resurrect with Him! In THAT SENSE, baptism saves by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It reminds me of the other very controversial words found in 1 Cor 15.

1 Corinthians 15:29 KJV (29) Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

Baptism FOR THE DEAD in this verse, I believe, means we are baptized BECAUSE OF CHRIST'S DEATH. We are baptized into His death (Ro 6:3) because His death caused Him to resurrect. What is the purpose of baptism into the death of Jesus if there is no resurrection from the dead? If Jesus did not resurrect, then the reason for baptism's salvation is lost! Peter said baptism saves us by the resurrection of Jesus. In other words, if Jesus did not resurrect from the dead, why bother with baptism? Our purpose in being baptized is to resurrect with Jesus.

And Peter continued his words say that baptism saves us by the resurrection of Jesus which then led to Jesus Christ's seating at the right hand over all powers.

1 Peter 3:21-22 KJV The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us ... by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (22) Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

In other words, this salvation in baptism is possible by the resurrection of Jesus Christ who went to such an extent of resurrection that He was seated at the right hand throne of God!

OH WOW. This is just coming to me now. I never saw this until I wrote this post....

Keep reading.

1 Peter 4:1-2 KJV Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; (2) That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

When we keep reading from chapter 3, we realize the SALVATION IS FROM SIN. As much as Jesus resurrected and went to the right hand place of POWER (hint hint), we do not have to live the rest of our time in the flesh to the lusts of the flesh and all its sins! It took us to the place of KINGDOM POWER over the lusts of the flesh.

Paul said the same thing.

Romans 8:11-12 KJV But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

Romans 6:6-7 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:12 KJV Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

The common denominator in Peter and Romans is that the Spirit that resurrected Jesus can quicken us so that we do not have to live after the flesh.

When you compare Peter's words with Paul's in Romans 6 and 8, it all comes together!

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The requirements for salvation are singular: BELIEVE.


If you believe, you will repent and if you are taught, you will be baptized.

But the infilling of the Holy Ghost-- can you see that this is something that we don't do and thus, can't be a requirement for us to fulfil because we can't do it in the first place?

If God doesn't answer every prayer, why would we expect Him to pour tongues out on every one who converts? That wasn't even the case in the Bible so how is it now?

The Bible is clear that salvation takes more than JUST believing.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Other scriptures show repentance is a MUST.
Other scriptures show receiving the Holy Ghost is a MUST.
Other scriptures show enduring faithful to the end is a MUST.

IF a person JUST believes, but does not also repent, get baptized in Jesus name, receive the Holy Ghost, and endure faithful to the end, they will not be saved.

We will have to disagree on tongues without rehasing it all here, other discussions have shown why we believe that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BroGary

The Bible is clear that salvation takes more than JUST believing.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Other scriptures show repentance is a MUST.
Other scriptures show receiving the Holy Ghost is a MUST.
Other scriptures show enduring faithful to the end is a MUST.

IF a person JUST believes, but does not also repent, get baptized in Jesus name, receive the Holy Ghost, and endure faithful to the end, they will not be saved.

We will have to disagree on tongues without rehasing it all here, other discussions have shown why we believe that tongues is the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost.

The bible is clear that God gives the Holy Ghost. Receiving it is not something we have in our power to go out and make happen as your doctrine teaches.

The bible is also clear in the case of Cornelius. Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The bible is clear that God gives the Holy Ghost. Receiving it is not something we have in our power to go out and make happen as your doctrine teaches.

We make not have to power to make it happen, but that does not make it any the less necessary to be saved.

If we do our part, hear the truth, believe, repent, be baptized in Jesus name, and reach out to God in hunger and thirst, God will do His part and fill us :-)

[KWSS1976]

If you guys don't have the power which we know you don't only God does..leave people alone and stop trying to shake the holyghost into them...Saw all a dozen people the other day praying over someone at church trying to coach the holyghost into them only to walk out with nothing more then they had when they came in....I look at it like this those in Acts laid hands on folks and stuff happened...Preachers lay hands on folks today and nothing happens....that just futher makes my point..Those in Acts had powers given to them for certain reasons....and nobody can do what they did in Acts this day and age..

[BroGary]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

If you guys don't have the power which we know you don't only God does..leave people alone and stop trying to shake the holyghost into them...Saw all a dozen people the other day praying over someone at church trying to coach the holyghost into them only to walk out with nothing more then they had when they came in....I look at it like this those in Acts laid hands on folks and stuff happened...Preachers lay hands on folks today and nothing happens....that just futher makes my point..Those in Acts had powers given to them for certain reasons....and nobody can do what they did in Acts this day and age..

There might be those who go about things the wrong way during an altar call, but what started in the book of Acts was meant for all, even today.

Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Matthew 9:29 ....According to your faith be it unto you.

Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed....

Acts 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong....

The name did not change, so perhaps our faith needs strengthened and I'm sure we all, myself included, have room for improvement in getting even stronger faith :-)

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[Scott Hutchinson]

THE words of Jesus do carry alot of weight.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BroGary

We make not have to power to make it happen, but that does not make it any the less necessary to be saved.

If we do our part, hear the truth, believe, repent, be baptized in Jesus name, and reach out to God in hunger and thirst, God will do His part and fill us :-)

Stop adding to the requirements. Repentance and baptism was all Peter said was required for the Holy Ghost. Why add more requirements than he did? I know why yall do and it is because those two simple requirements alone often do not produce the expected result of the convert speaking in tongues.