From Dust to Dust

[SteppingStone]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Denial of the resurrection is one of the first heresies addressed by Paul and the Apostles. I'm rather liberal compared to the UPCI. So that accusation doesn't wash. Denial of a bodily resurrection leaves one serving a Christ who's still in the grave. To say Christ rose from the dead bodily, but we do not is to make him the Lord of Ghosts, a God of the dead, not the God of the living.

Nobody is denying that Christ rose from the dead...

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Nobody is denying that Christ rose from the dead...

The issue is if we will experience resurrection as Jesus did. Since He is firstfruits of resurrection, I say yes.

[Sneekee]

What I find interesting about how we view the nature of Christ's risen form is the dogmatic insistence on the completely unbiblical notion that his flesh was "glorified." Paul makes a clear distinction between the carnal and the spiritual, and we somehow stumble into the assumption that "His glorious body" refers to meat and bone. In the course of defending this assumption, we directly contradict Christ's words.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Just as Christ was raised bodily in incorruption, glory, and power (a spiritual body)...

Christ's flesh was not spiritual.

Luk 24:39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

Why do we look at the miraculous acts of Christ between his rising from the dead and His ascension as if they were somehow different from the miraculous acts that He worked before His death? He walked on the water! Did that have anything to do with His flesh?

No. It had everything to do with His faith. Period. The same goes for everything that He did after rising from the dead. All power in the heavens and on earth was given to Him. This was not because His flesh was made metaphysical. Jesus Christ said that His flesh was still flesh, not spirit. Sorry-that's the word of God.

Jesus Christ does not have two bodies. He has one glorious body--His bride, His Church.

Rom 7:4 So my brothers, you also were put to death to the Torah through the body of Messiah, for you to become another’s, the One who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to Elohim [Theos].

1Co 12:27 And you are a body of Messiah, and members individually.

Furthermore, for those who say that Christ is God and His glorious body is "glorified" immortal flesh, how can you say that you are also oneness? Do you mean to say that God is One, yet God the Son will forever walk the streets of golden Jerusalem in his scarred, immortal body while God the Father also remains as spirit?

That, brethren, is two gods, not one.

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Originally Posted by Sneekee

What I find interesting about how we view the nature of Christ's risen form is the dogmatic insistence on the completely unbiblical notion that his flesh was "glorified." Paul makes a clear distinction between the carnal and the spiritual, and we somehow stumble into the assumption that "His glorious body" refers to meat and bone. In the course of defending this assumption, we directly contradict Christ's words.


Christ's flesh was not spiritual.

Sure it was. You are mistaking spiritual for spirit-matter, and natural for physical matter. That is not what those terms mean. Natural, in reference to a body, means alive by natural life. Spiritual, in reference to a body, means alive by supernatural life.

Luk 24:39 “See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

Why do we look at the miraculous acts of Christ between his rising from the dead and His ascension as if they were somehow different from the miraculous acts that He worked before His death? He walked on the water! Did that have anything to do with His flesh?

Peter walked on water, too. But Jesus vanished out of sight and ascended into the sky after His resurrection. He never did that before.

No. It had everything to do with His faith. Period. The same goes for everything that He did after rising from the dead. All power in the heavens and on earth was given to Him. This was not because His flesh was made metaphysical. Jesus Christ said that His flesh was still flesh, not spirit. Sorry-that's the word of God.

It was mortal flesh that had been changed into immortal flesh. Paul talked all about this in 1 Cor 15. Let's not reinvent the wheel.

Jesus Christ does not have two bodies. He has one glorious body--His bride, His Church.

To say the church is His body does not mean he does not have a personal body, any more than the fact that Eve was Adam's body did not mean Adam no personal body of his own.

Rom 7:4 So my brothers, you also were put to death to the Torah through the body of Messiah, for you to become another’s, the One who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to Elohim [Theos].

1Co 12:27 And you are a body of Messiah, and members individually.

Furthermore, for those who say that Christ is God and His glorious body is "glorified" immortal flesh, how can you say that you are also oneness? Do you mean to say that God is One, yet God the Son will forever walk the streets of golden Jerusalem in his scarred, immortal body while God the Father also remains as spirit?

Deity and Humanity are not one and the same. God manifested in flesh but did not nor ever will become flesh. the flesh and immortal body of Christ is not DEITY.

That, brethren, is two gods, not one.

If it wasn't two Gods when Jesus was on earth in flesh then it is not two Gods now if Jesus has immortal flesh. What kind of flesh do you think Adam would have enjoyed had he eaten the fruit of Life to never die again?

IMHO you have oneness and resurrection both mixed up. God bless!

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[helen_febus]

Originally Posted by Aquila

It is written,

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

And there are many more from where that came from.

What about these versions of the bible

(ASV) And after my skin, even this body, is destroyed, Then without my flesh shall I see God;

(LITV) and after my skin has been struck off from my flesh, yet this, I shall see God,


(YLT) And after my skin hath compassed this body , Then from my flesh I see God

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Originally Posted by helen_febus

What about these versions of the bible

(ASV) And after my skin, even this body, is destroyed, Then without my flesh shall I see God;

(LITV) and after my skin has been struck off from my flesh, yet this, I shall see God,


(YLT) And after my skin hath compassed this body , Then from my flesh I see God

It is a far cry to say the translations you provided, sister, and to say what the King James Version said. One of them cannot be right and must be flat error. Which is it?

Job 19:26 KJV And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

God bless!