UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I think there was just a lot of humiliation for all involved in this story. It's just that sad and pitiful.

Agreed but amazed at how the woman comes off as the villain (automatically) in some peoples minds.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Agreed but amazed at how the woman comes off as the villain (automatically) in some peoples minds.

But she should, she wore a bikini, *gasp*

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Agreed but amazed at how the woman comes off as the villain (automatically) in some peoples minds.

Well, it was the woman who started this whole problem in first place when her husband found her parading around buck nekkid with a "friend" of a mutual friend in a garden instead of a pool.

And the husband's lament was similar: "It's the woman whom Thou gavest me... !!! She gave me the fruit and I did eat. It was the woman!!!"

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by missourimary

What we say on here is being recorded, just in writing rather than sound.





One of the sites DA listed at the very beginning of this thread has a new note and a link to this page:
http://spiritualabuse.org/experience...k_fogarty.html

It starts with a rebuttal to the early insinuation that the plaintiff contacted that site. It goes on to say:
"It would be good for some to not jump to conclusions regarding this case before having more knowledge. If this public bulletin board discussion, with all the accusations and insinuations made there against [plaintiff], yet accusing her of being unfaithful in her marriage and more, is indicative at all of what happened with talk among members of [defendant's] church (& other churches) after the announcement was made by [defendant], it shows the public gossip and harm that can-and DOES- happen when such announcements are made over the pulpit. And this continued through page after page of discussion, despite the fact that it is quite evident [defendant] had no proof of physical fornication as such evidence would have been presented by his attorney in court as a means of his defense. Some on this discussion group should be ashamed of themselves. Your accusations get picked up by internet search engines and [plaintiff's] reputation becomes further damaged."


We would do well to all understand that. Several people have thought about how their husbands would react to seeing them dressed a certain way... did any stop to consider how the new couple, members of the church, or the woman who was accused might feel about our statements? They weren't private, after all... and some were very harsh. Nice witness. Will we brag tomorrow about this thread being at the top of a search engine list?

I think that most everything said about everyone involved was harsh.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by missourimary

What we say on here is being recorded, just in writing rather than sound.





One of the sites DA listed at the very beginning of this thread has a new note and a link to this page:
http://spiritualabuse.org/experience...k_fogarty.html

It starts with a rebuttal to the early insinuation that the plaintiff contacted that site. It goes on to say:
"It would be good for some to not jump to conclusions regarding this case before having more knowledge. If this public bulletin board discussion, with all the accusations and insinuations made there against [plaintiff], yet accusing her of being unfaithful in her marriage and more, is indicative at all of what happened with talk among members of [defendant's] church (& other churches) after the announcement was made by [defendant], it shows the public gossip and harm that can-and DOES- happen when such announcements are made over the pulpit. And this continued through page after page of discussion, despite the fact that it is quite evident [defendant] had no proof of physical fornication as such evidence would have been presented by his attorney in court as a means of his defense. Some on this discussion group should be ashamed of themselves. Your accusations get picked up by internet search engines and [plaintiff's] reputation becomes further damaged."


We would do well to all understand that. Several people have thought about how their husbands would react to seeing them dressed a certain way... did any stop to consider how the new couple, members of the church, or the woman who was accused might feel about our statements? They weren't private, after all... and some were very harsh. Nice witness. Will we brag tomorrow about this thread being at the top of a search engine list?

Amazing.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Well, it was the woman who started this whole problem in first place when her husband found her parading around buck nekkid with a "friend" of a mutual friend in a garden instead of a pool.

And the husband's lament was similar: "It's the woman whom Thou gavest me... !!! She gave me the fruit and I did eat. It was the woman!!!"

Except Adam...mmmmm.... didn't have his eyes on.... ahhhhhhh.... another woman when he was complaining about Eve. Just sayin.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Except Adam...mmmmm.... didn't have his eyes on.... ahhhhhhh.... another woman when he was complaining about Eve. Just sayin.

Do you reckon he had his eyes on Eve! He probably got upset when God clothed her, don't you think?

Been Thinkin

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Distorted the meaning of fornication, absolutely.

I think you had asked for the definition of fornication earlier.

It would include - harlotry, prostitution, idolatry, incest and adultery.

Adam Clark - Adultery - Μοιχεια· Illicit connection with a married person. This word is wanting in this place in the best MSS., versions, and fathers; the next term often comprehending both.
Fornication - Πορνεια· Illicit connection between single or unmarried persons; yet often signifying adultery also.

What would be an illicit connection? Illicit means: contrary to accepted morality (especially sexual morality) or convention. Convention meaning something regarded as a normative example.

I thought this was interesting:

Religious liberals tend to define the terms narrowly and precisely.

Religious conservatives often define the words to include a wide assortment of sexual activities, when practiced within a wide range of types of relationships.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

A bikini leaves zilch to the imagination.

No...full nudity leaves zilch to the imagination.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No...full nudity leaves zilch to the imagination.

"I don't know, I can imagine quite a bit." -Han Solo