SG: Ultra con darling?

[Jack Shephard]

Doesn't shock me. He was and has always been a company man to me.

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by DAII

The Michigan camp just wrapped up in which SG spoke as the evening preacher.

He, reportedly preached holiness hard. Slamming churches with "worldly" websites and saying elders traditions should never be questioned.

What say ye? Camp the right place for this sort of stuff?

Originally Posted by DAII

Bingo. That's what pastors are for ...

Although I am well aware that organizationally these have become mandated "group think" parties and camp, conference, rally speakers encouraged to do so ...

Personally, the biggest holiness camp preacher I knew growing up in Spanish ministries would machine-gun down the ladies for their slits and poofs and the guys for rolling the ends of our pants while theatrically ducking behind the pulpit for effect ..... all the while a being a sex addict engaging in wild, lewd, lascivious debauchery with holiness women to the chagrin of his wife, family and church.

Still trying to figure out how the original post about SG and this secondary post correlate. I know you are not making the comparison...or are you just running out of targets?

Why not just post your opinion on the "What do we expect at camp meeting" thread?

[Jon Alfaro]

Poor taste in making an attempt to discuss the man rather than the actual issue it could have been avoided but you enjoy the intentional confrontation.

Its important to know that we are hearing a second hand account on what MY PASTOR actually preached and ripped on. I mean the guy could've said that women shouldn't wear mini skirts and chances are someone who has strayed so far from morals and holiness would be offended so how about before anyone goes declaring a man of God a company man you know the details. More importantly, you know the man and be willing to discuss it with him...

for instance, there is a man on this forum right now who calls a trinitarian church his home church and is excited about the numerical growth it is seeing. Where is the rant on that?????? seriously?

Have we become so clouded and defensive over lines that someone has drawn that we still support trinitarians and pat their backs????????


FTR, that company man, Pastor Graham preaches the same way at home as he does at conferences I'm glad you were able to be blessed the way I am every sunday.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Still trying to figure out how the original post about SG and this secondary post correlate. I know you are not making the comparison...or are you just running out of targets?

Why not just post your opinion on the "What do we expect at camp meeting" thread?

The opener was the puzzling one for me. I figured DA2 just thought the forum was a little slow this evening.

The second post you cite is a sad reality, as was NOW's statements about sending young people to a camp meeting just to have them bullied by a bunch of neanderthals.

So many times I've gone to a camp meeting or conference seeking some sort of real uplift only to have to sit and listen to a harangue from some "holiness" preacher who would be leaving the fellowship with his secretary at the end of the year any way.

We really do need to become more sophisticated, IMHO. The frauds and the cons that we allow to run rampant though our fellowships have cause tremendous harm.

Meanwhile, the faithful and honest men that we have wadded up and thrown out like use tissue are still scorned as "compromisers."

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Still trying to figure out how the original post about SG and this secondary post correlate. I know you are not making the comparison...or are you just running out of targets?

Why not just post your opinion on the "What do we expect at camp meeting" thread?

Exactly Trumpet. While I am one who would agree with Pel (as in post 39) I don't see any need to imply the more conservative among us are hiding dastardly deeds of evil in their personal lives. While I don't think their conservatism somehow exempts them moral failure, I certainly don't see it as a precursor either. No need to disparage character to simply say "I disagree with XYZ".

Scott, I believe, has a heart for the Lord and has nothing but a great personal reputation. He is leading a good group of believers in St Louis. I was at the new facility a couple weeks ago - it is very nice!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jon Alfaro

Poor taste in making an attempt to discuss the man rather than the actual issue it could have been avoided but you enjoy the intentional confrontation.

Its important to know that we are hearing a second hand account on what MY PASTOR actually preached and ripped on. I mean the guy could've said that women shouldn't wear mini skirts and chances are someone who has strayed so far from morals and holiness would be offended so how about before anyone goes declaring a man of God a company man you know the details. More importantly, you know the man and be willing to discuss it with him...

for instance, there is a man on this forum right now who calls a trinitarian church his home church and is excited about the numerical growth it is seeing. Where is the rant on that?????? seriously?

Have we become so clouded and defensive over lines that someone has drawn that we still support trinitarians and pat their backs????????


FTR, that company man, Pastor Graham preaches the same way at home as he does at conferences I'm glad you were able to be blessed the way I am every sunday.

Jon. Help us. Quote at least a part of the post that you are responding to. Is this in response to the opener?

I think you are quite correct about something else here too.

"...that we still support trinitarians and pat their backs????????"

Yes Jon. That was always the Apostolic manner in which we treated our Trinitarian brethren. That's one of the "old paths."

[Jon Alfaro]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Jon. Help us. Quote at least a part of the post that you are responding to. Is this in response to the opener?

I think you are quite correct about something else here too.

"...that we still support trinitarians and pat their backs????????"

Yes Jon. That was always the Apostolic manner in which we treated our Trinitarian brethren. That's one of the "old paths."

oh please the PCI roots are dead and shriveled. The only ones even remotely taking claim to it are the ones who are compromising everything else.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The opener was the puzzling one for me. I figured DA2 just thought the forum was a little slow this evening.

The second post you cite is a sad reality, as was NOW's statements about sending young people to a camp meeting just to have them bullied by a bunch of neanderthals.

So many times I've gone to a camp meeting or conference seeking some sort of real uplift only to have to sit and listen to a harangue from some "holiness" preacher who would be leaving the fellowship with his secretary at the end of the year any way.

We really do need to become more sophisticated, IMHO. The frauds and the cons that we allow to run rampant though our fellowships have cause tremendous harm.

Meanwhile, the faithful and honest men that we have wadded up and thrown out like use tissue are still scorned as "compromisers."

I am truly sorry for those "faithful and honest men that we have wadded up and thrown out" yet I must believe the "frauds and cons" are not given free rein. If such is occurring than we should/mush expose them.

[Jon Alfaro]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Scott, I believe, has a heart for the Lord and has nothing but a great personal reputation. He is leading a good group of believers in St Louis. I was at the new facility a couple weeks ago - it is very nice!

You have hit the nail right on the head. I'm glad you enjoyed your visit with us. If I shook your hand I probably didn't know it. lol

DKB actually came in for 3 weeks and taught on holiness from his book. Its not a bad thing to draw some lines and its not a bad thing to admonish others to draw lines either.

Pastor Graham is also a presbyter and well within his rights to admonish others to draw some lines as well. To know the heart of the man the way I have come to know it, I am positive he didn't rip the way Dan has alluded to. He may have spoke his heart and sometimes in speaking your heart, some toes will be stepped on.

[Jon Alfaro]

Originally Posted by DAII

Bingo. That's what pastors are for ...

Although I am well aware that organizationally these have become mandated "group think" parties and camp, conference, rally speakers encouraged to do so ...

Question? Your pastor taught holiness in dress did he not?