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Old 03-30-2010, 09:19 PM
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Re: Losing people because of money :(

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It's the reason he is not going to church is what I meant- not the reason he is poor.

Keith is playing this CD really loud and it is a little hard to concentrate. SORRY!
Please tell me he is NOT listening to U2!!
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:24 PM
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No one other than the church is claiming a false pretense of healing or wealth on anyone for giving. It is a doctrine that no matter the one-step, three-steps, no steps they all want to tell you how you are to come before the lord.

Prayer still changes things, prayer still moves God, and calling for the elders of the church to lay hands on the sick to recover still has it's Apostolic authority and power.
I believe in giving offerings and I know there is a lot of bible to support that.

But we shouldn't manipulate people into buying their healing or finical success. It is definitely not a prerequisite for a miracle.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:26 PM
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Please tell me he is NOT listening to U2!!
NO he is listening to an old tape of Bro Pugh!
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:28 PM
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NO he is listening to an old tape of Bro Pugh!
good... good... so you were convicted!

I just couldn't bare the thought of you typing with one hand... leaning one ear on the shoulder... covering exposed ear with the free hand... as Keith is in the background singing "With or without you"
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:34 PM
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good... good... so you were convicted!

I just couldn't bare the thought of you typing with one hand... leaning one ear on the shoulder... covering exposed ear with the free hand... as Keith is in the background singing "With or without you"
I wasn't convicted, there was so much noise in house, like the old saying goes, 'can't hear myself think'.
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We had lots of financial problems, some caused by poor management on my part. We were taught and believed that if we gave God the first 10 percent plus offerings He would meet all our needs. We wound up filing bankruptcy while tithing.

I have since come to the conclusion that according to Mark 7:9-13 and 1 Timothy 5:8 it is wrong to pay tithes before meeting your family's needs.
Finally..a man that reads the Bible and understands it
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:32 PM
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There is a man who used to attend our church for a short time. While he attended, he was faithful in attendance. He was faithful to services, faithful to prayer meetings. He was a good worker, pitched in every time he could that there was some type of work to be done at the church. He offered his physical labor free of charge at every opportunity available to him where he could help out.

He suddenly stopped attending.

I had talked to this man on several occasions, as he is my neighbor. He would never tell me why he stopped coming to church.

Until yesterday.

The problem he encountered was that he felt he wasn't welcomed because of the constant push from the pulpit for giving money. Special blessings prayed upon the tithers. Special blessings prayed upon those who gave to the building fund. Special blessings prayed upon those who gave "sacrificial" offerings. Special blessings prayed upon those who gave freewill offerings.

Whatever happened to praying for those who don't have to give?

This man had no money to give, and he said that he felt he had to pay for his seat in our church. He felt as if he were being beat upon the head to GIVE money. Since he didn't have the money to put in the offering plate, he stopped coming to church. He hasn't attended anywhere at all since that time.

I was just left speechless. I had no response. God help us, because the blood of people like this is going to be required of our hands. When did MONEY become more important to a church than lost souls???

This man has been out of work for quite some time. He picks up odd jobs as he can find them, but he told me yesterday that he'd earned less than $2000 since Christmas. A family cannot survive on that amount.

He has a minor child that he has full custody of. Every dime this man earns goes toward paying his bills.

Not only is he going without many things that we all consider necessary for life, but he is now going without food for his soul-- because of being made to feel like it's necessary to give even when you don't have money to give.

Today, the utility company turned off his electricity. I saw the truck going to his house. Tears started pouring from my eyes.

There was nothing I could do. I would have paid the man's bill, if I had the money, but I don't. I have no idea how much he even owes. I'm not sure how much longer his water will be left on, or if he was able to pay that bill or not. He is a very private person, and doesn't ask for any type of help.

The only thing I can do is to offer to let the man put what groceries he has into an extra refrigerator and freezer that I have in my storage shed to keep him from losing the food.

This man needs a job. He needs to know someone cares. I won't post even his first name, because some of the people who attend my church probably read this forum and I would be reprimanded for bringing this subject to a public forum.

Can some of you take this man upon your hearts and pray for him. God knows who he is, and where he is. He needs a miracle.
This is sad but a true story that happens all the time..Jesus did say to give and we always assume He meant money...This man gave himself..It will not go unoticed by the Lord God Almighty
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Old 04-20-2010, 08:52 PM
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Re: Losing people because of money :(

All too common problem I feel. Very sad!
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:19 AM
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Maybe see if your church would take up a collection for this gentleman?
We have a compassion fund in our church. Last year we helped several of our families thru hard spots.

One family we blessed with 2000 $ to pay legal fees to keep the granchild they have raised for several years, from being taken from them by the childs unfit mother.

The members of our church do not know who gets help from our compassion minisrty fund, as to not embarras families in need.

A couple years ago we helped with @ $1200 to a brand new family to our church to help them of the street.

It is easier though, to just pray for peoples needs, that way all the tithe can go to help the preachers family.....just like the bible says.
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:27 AM
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Re: Losing people because of money :(

This is a terrible story.

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There is a man who used to attend our church for a short time. While he attended, he was faithful in attendance. He was faithful to services, faithful to prayer meetings. He was a good worker, pitched in every time he could that there was some type of work to be done at the church. He offered his physical labor free of charge at every opportunity available to him where he could help out.

He suddenly stopped attending.

I had talked to this man on several occasions, as he is my neighbor. He would never tell me why he stopped coming to church.

Until yesterday.

The problem he encountered was that he felt he wasn't welcomed because of the constant push from the pulpit for giving money. Special blessings prayed upon the tithers. Special blessings prayed upon those who gave to the building fund. Special blessings prayed upon those who gave "sacrificial" offerings. Special blessings prayed upon those who gave freewill offerings.

Whatever happened to praying for those who don't have to give?

This man had no money to give, and he said that he felt he had to pay for his seat in our church. He felt as if he were being beat upon the head to GIVE money. Since he didn't have the money to put in the offering plate, he stopped coming to church. He hasn't attended anywhere at all since that time.

I was just left speechless. I had no response. God help us, because the blood of people like this is going to be required of our hands. When did MONEY become more important to a church than lost souls???

This man has been out of work for quite some time. He picks up odd jobs as he can find them, but he told me yesterday that he'd earned less than $2000 since Christmas. A family cannot survive on that amount.

He has a minor child that he has full custody of. Every dime this man earns goes toward paying his bills.

Not only is he going without many things that we all consider necessary for life, but he is now going without food for his soul-- because of being made to feel like it's necessary to give even when you don't have money to give.

Today, the utility company turned off his electricity. I saw the truck going to his house. Tears started pouring from my eyes.

There was nothing I could do. I would have paid the man's bill, if I had the money, but I don't. I have no idea how much he even owes. I'm not sure how much longer his water will be left on, or if he was able to pay that bill or not. He is a very private person, and doesn't ask for any type of help.

The only thing I can do is to offer to let the man put what groceries he has into an extra refrigerator and freezer that I have in my storage shed to keep him from losing the food.

This man needs a job. He needs to know someone cares. I won't post even his first name, because some of the people who attend my church probably read this forum and I would be reprimanded for bringing this subject to a public forum.

Can some of you take this man upon your hearts and pray for him. God knows who he is, and where he is. He needs a miracle.
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