Both the JCM reunion and the Apostolic Ministerial Conference were made of wonderful Apostolic people. It was nice seeing so many believers in one place!
Both the JCM reunion and the Apostolic Ministerial Conference were made of wonderful Apostolic people. It was nice seeing so many believers in one place!
Blessings, Rhoni
JCM Alumni in attendance
Rhoni, it was good to see you there! I know you are going to find this hard to believe but sometimes I am shy. I was right at home with those I have seen over the years or saw at the 2005 reunion (and of course you from AFF) but I was hesitant too much of the time to go up to people I knew that I knew as I recalled the face but could not recall the name. In hindsight I wish I had one that more and struck up more conversations than playing it safe. I will have to wait another five years to fix that!
My wife got to see a preacher and his family who were attending the AMC conference that she had not seen for over 30 years. It was nice to say hello and see how they were doing.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I happened to see a thread entitled "JCM Reunion/AMC Conference" and (silly me) thought it was going to be a thread reminiscing the fun things that happened there. I should have known it would turn into a debate. I hated debates in high school, hated them in college, and am now reminded why I rarely get on AFF. Some people love them... it's just a personal thing. I despise conflict.
I am UPC, have been all my life. I don't cut my hair, don't wear makeup, don't wear jewelry, my picture has been posted on here, and I haven't heard any complaints (so far). But let me tell you something... I'VE HEARD JUDGMENTAL JUNK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. Some "ultra conservatives" look down on those who don't look like them... as we have heard over the last 63 pages of this thread. On the other hand, I know of people who are no longer conservative who look down on us because "we are still in the bondage of UPC and standards".
Here's the thing... there is nothing any of you are going to say on this thread that will make a person (on either side) sit up and say, "Oh wait... I see where you're coming from. I no longer feel the way I did before. Hark! I have just been enlightened!".
Yes, I went to JCM... a non-accredited Bible college, and I'm sad that some of you consider it a waste of your time. I personally was able to use my JCM credits to go on to a college (yes, a REAL college) and get a Master's Degree in education, taught public school AND was a principal for 3 years. And yes, I went to the Reunion... and had an amazing time. I was reunited with my roommates that I haven't seen in 20 years... and it was as if no time had passed. I laughed during those days until I thought I would throw up. Nobody (that I was aware of) was looking down on anyone else. And here's another thing... unless you were IN that room, you can't begin to comprehend what went on there.
So now, I am disappointed for two reasons: 1) this thread didn't turn out like I thought it would; and 2) THAT I MISSED OUT ON GETTING MY PICTURE WITH THE AFFers!!!
I happened to see a thread entitled "JCM Reunion/AMC Conference" and (silly me) thought it was going to be a thread reminiscing the fun things that happened there. I should have known it would turn into a debate. I hated debates in high school, hated them in college, and am now reminded why I rarely get on AFF. Some people love them... it's just a personal thing. I despise conflict.
I am UPC, have been all my life. I don't cut my hair, don't wear makeup, don't wear jewelry, my picture has been posted on here, and I haven't heard any complaints (so far). But let me tell you something... I'VE HEARD JUDGMENTAL JUNK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. Some "ultra conservatives" look down on those who don't look like them... as we have heard over the last 63 pages of this thread. On the other hand, I know of people who are no longer conservative who look down on us because "we are still in the bondage of UPC and standards".
Here's the thing... there is nothing any of you are going to say on this thread that will make a person (on either side) sit up and say, "Oh wait... I see where you're coming from. I no longer feel the way I did before. Hark! I have just been enlightened!".
Yes, I went to JCM... a non-accredited Bible college, and I'm sad that some of you consider it a waste of your time. I personally was able to use my JCM credits to go on to a college (yes, a REAL college) and get a Master's Degree in education, taught public school AND was a principal for 3 years. And yes, I went to the Reunion... and had an amazing time. I was reunited with my roommates that I haven't seen in 20 years... and it was as if no time had passed. I laughed during those days until I thought I would throw up. Nobody (that I was aware of) was looking down on anyone else. And here's another thing... unless you were IN that room, you can't begin to comprehend what went on there.
So now, I am disappointed for two reasons: 1) this thread didn't turn out like I thought it would; and 2) THAT I MISSED OUT ON GETTING MY PICTURE WITH THE AFFers!!!
I KNOW!!! Where were you and Chris?
I'm so happy to have met you guys and can I say, "you guys are tall!" LOL!
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Master of Science in Applied Disgruntled Religious Theorist Wrangling
PhD in Petulant Tantrum Quelling
Dean of the School of Hard Knocks
I happened to see a thread entitled "JCM Reunion/AMC Conference" and (silly me) thought it was going to be a thread reminiscing the fun things that happened there. I should have known it would turn into a debate. I hated debates in high school, hated them in college, and am now reminded why I rarely get on AFF. Some people love them... it's just a personal thing. I despise conflict.
I am UPC, have been all my life. I don't cut my hair, don't wear makeup, don't wear jewelry, my picture has been posted on here, and I haven't heard any complaints (so far). But let me tell you something... I'VE HEARD JUDGMENTAL JUNK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. Some "ultra conservatives" look down on those who don't look like them... as we have heard over the last 63 pages of this thread. On the other hand, I know of people who are no longer conservative who look down on us because "we are still in the bondage of UPC and standards".
Here's the thing... there is nothing any of you are going to say on this thread that will make a person (on either side) sit up and say, "Oh wait... I see where you're coming from. I no longer feel the way I did before. Hark! I have just been enlightened!".
Yes, I went to JCM... a non-accredited Bible college, and I'm sad that some of you consider it a waste of your time. I personally was able to use my JCM credits to go on to a college (yes, a REAL college) and get a Master's Degree in education, taught public school AND was a principal for 3 years. And yes, I went to the Reunion... and had an amazing time. I was reunited with my roommates that I haven't seen in 20 years... and it was as if no time had passed. I laughed during those days until I thought I would throw up. Nobody (that I was aware of) was looking down on anyone else. And here's another thing... unless you were IN that room, you can't begin to comprehend what went on there.
So now, I am disappointed for two reasons: 1) this thread didn't turn out like I thought it would; and 2) THAT I MISSED OUT ON GETTING MY PICTURE WITH THE AFFers!!!
I don't know you - but thank you for taking the time to post this! Great thoughts!
You make several valid points and the ones in red really stand out to me.
1) I've seen it on both sides as well ! Here and in "real" life !
2) It is so true that these "debates" don't change anyone's mind. Maybe someday I'll learn to ignore them.
3) It saddens me that anyone would feel that ANY time spent in a bible college was a "waste of time." Whether they want to admit it or not - they did learn SOMETHING of value! The friendships and relationships that were formed could be effective in their lives, if they would allow it!
4) You are so right - None of us that weren't there have a right to voice our opinions about what went on there! We can't really know!!!
Again - I appreciated your post!
__________________ For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. Jeremiah 29:11
I happened to see a thread entitled "JCM Reunion/AMC Conference" and (silly me) thought it was going to be a thread reminiscing the fun things that happened there. I should have known it would turn into a debate. I hated debates in high school, hated them in college, and am now reminded why I rarely get on AFF. Some people love them... it's just a personal thing. I despise conflict.
I am UPC, have been all my life. I don't cut my hair, don't wear makeup, don't wear jewelry, my picture has been posted on here, and I haven't heard any complaints (so far). But let me tell you something... I'VE HEARD JUDGMENTAL JUNK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. Some "ultra conservatives" look down on those who don't look like them... as we have heard over the last 63 pages of this thread. On the other hand, I know of people who are no longer conservative who look down on us because "we are still in the bondage of UPC and standards".
Here's the thing... there is nothing any of you are going to say on this thread that will make a person (on either side) sit up and say, "Oh wait... I see where you're coming from. I no longer feel the way I did before. Hark! I have just been enlightened!".
Yes, I went to JCM... a non-accredited Bible college, and I'm sad that some of you consider it a waste of your time. I personally was able to use my JCM credits to go on to a college (yes, a REAL college) and get a Master's Degree in education, taught public school AND was a principal for 3 years. And yes, I went to the Reunion... and had an amazing time. I was reunited with my roommates that I haven't seen in 20 years... and it was as if no time had passed. I laughed during those days until I thought I would throw up. Nobody (that I was aware of) was looking down on anyone else. And here's another thing... unless you were IN that room, you can't begin to comprehend what went on there.
So now, I am disappointed for two reasons: 1) this thread didn't turn out like I thought it would; and 2) THAT I MISSED OUT ON GETTING MY PICTURE WITH THE AFFers!!!
Ok, this is the Post of the Day in my humble opinion!
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
all this time I never knew you had a humble opinion
Your post was by far the Post of Yesterday, Prax. That was awesome!
__________________ "Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
I'm so happy to have met you guys and can I say, "you guys are tall!" LOL!
Renda, I am SO glad I finally got to meet you in person... you are just as funny and wise in real life as you are in cyber space.
Chris and I were laughing just yesterday 'cause I reminded him of the time I felt someone patting my arm... and it was you saying, "You're so tall!". HAHAHAHA
It is so true that these "debates" don't change anyone's mind. Maybe someday I'll learn to ignore them. 
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