Can Women Pastor ?

[Sister Alvear]

People's New Testament

14:26 What is it then, brethren? What course should be pursued in the public assemblies of the church?

When ye are come together, each one of you hath, etc. When they come together, one comes purposing to sing a psalm; another to teach concerning a doctrine; another, a prophet, has a revelation to present; another proposes to speak in a language; another, offers an interpretation of what is spoken. Now this must all

be done to edification. All that will not tend to this must be left out.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Acts 2: 16-18

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:


Dosn't sound like the women were going to be silenced to me.

Prophecy is NOT a sermon from the Scriptures, as modern women attempt to pass off. Besides, how does this interact w/ I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

THIS IS IN A PUBLIC ASSEMBLY...THE CHURCH

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.


AND ANYONE THAT HAS A KNOWLEDGE OF FOREIGN LANGUAGES KNOWS IT IS TALKING OF MEN AND WOMEN...THE WORD BROTHER INCLUDES SISTERS....JUST LIKE IN ALL LATIN LANGUAGES...

This is not latin, but Koine' Greek. You know that! How in the world you can make "Brethren" mean "Sisters" is beyond me.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

AND IT SAYS...

Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.


A MAN OR WOMAN CAN SPEAK AND EDIFY THE CHURCH....THE CHURCH....MEN AND WOMEN ....

C'mon Sis., the context is the gifts of the Spirit [I Cor. 12:1], not "preaching sermons"?????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

His own nt writer would not even be qualified to be an elder....lol....

Oh my goodness, do you not even read my posts to you, but just blindly plod along? I've already addressed this issue. Besides, still waiting on you to exegete I Tim. 2....for about 2 months now! "LOL" indeeeeeeeeeeed!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

People's New Testament

14:26 What is it then, brethren? What course should be pursued in the public assemblies of the church?

When ye are come together, each one of you hath, etc. When they come together, one comes purposing to sing a psalm; another to teach concerning a doctrine; another, a prophet, has a revelation to present; another proposes to speak in a language; another, offers an interpretation of what is spoken. Now this must all

be done to edification. All that will not tend to this must be left out.

While you're in I Cor., will you also believe I Cor. 14:34? I doubt it. Besides, what does this have to do what the same apostle says in I Tim. 2????

Gotta' preach tonight, have to be tommorrow before I can check back in.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

This is not latin, but Koine' Greek. You know that! How in the world you can make "Brethren" mean "Sisters" is beyond me.

so only the brothers have a song? lol YOU know tht includes sisters unless the Holy Ghost was given to join a kittig club in a corner somewhere....I thought you were smarter than that...

[Sister Alvear]

Paul said he wished that all would prophecy....

[HRea]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

so only the brothers have a song? lol YOU know tht includes sisters unless the Holy Ghost was given to join a kittig club in a corner somewhere....I thought you were smarter than that...

Exegesis, n, a critical explanation or interpretation of a text or portion of a text, esp. of the Bible.

Sister Alvear and Bro. RDP (and all others, be ye male or female), let's suspend any experiences (and personal interpretations and common sense) and exegete the verses that have been recently discussed to see if we can build a new doctrine...

1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

As RDP has posited, this seems to address only "brethren" in only the strictest of gender terms. By strict interpretation, only men can sing, testify, edify, preach, etc. during the gathering of faithful, seeing as Paul said "come together". This is important since no formalized church services were ever described in the NT, only gathering in people's houses. No permission is given to women to utter even the smallest of edifications to the body. She must wait to speak anything until only family members were present.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Again, Paul uses the term "churches" but not as we think for a church assembly met in peoples homes. Interestingly enough, the Greek word used for "speak" is a generalized word meaning "utter words". Some have tried to restrict it to mean preaching or giving a sermon, when it simply means "uttering words". So, again my sisters, not even a peep, no sounds, nope, notta, no!!! while church has gathered. And try not to hum or whistle to any of the songs, please. What part of keep silence, keep silence, keep silence is so hard to grasp.

If women want to "learn any thing", by command of the Apostle, do your learning after the church has disbanded for the day or you are back at home. You are not even permitted to glean from the Word spoken by the men only.

1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Paul seems to confirm that these passages are not only about preaching, but, in a very broad context, anything pertaining to a formalized church service.

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What utter nonsense!!! This type of thinking, although can be extrapolated from the scriptures, is such a perverse interpretation (although it is a more accurate than the common twisted abuse of condemning women preachers). These scriptures are not speaking of preaching only, but in all aspects of the church service.

Did the above exegesis describe any gathering of saints that you've attended? Why is it that those who use the above scriptures against women preachers, FAIL to use them against ALL women in church services for these verses are quite general?

Does this mean that women can only pray through at home? No speaking in tongues while church is in session? No singing or praising the Lord? No correction of your children?

[Sister Alvear]

Since church buildings as we know them came into being some 200 years after Acts anywhere they gathered was considered a "church" the called out body of believers.