Banned from AMF, AGAIN!

[Apocrypha]

Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was active about 40 years after the last apostle died (John).

http://www.earlychurch.org.uk/giving.php

http://slaveoftheword.blogspot.com/2...od-second.html

Justin Martyr (pictured left) (100–165 A.D.) provided an early, detailed, account of church services. He says that Christians met on Sundays and read the writings of the Apostles and prophets. After an exhortation to do good and pray, the love feast took place. They took the offering at the end of the service and those who were wealthy were free to give as they saw fit. The church used this offering to help the poor, widows, and others in need. There were two parts to the offering: (1) the first consisted of food: the congregation consumed part of the offering at the love feast and part of the offering was taken to those who were absent. The remainder of the offering was for the poor. After this meal, they partook of the Lord’s Supper. Finally, they took a second offering that included both money and food. This offering was for the clergy and the poor. Justin’s description of the offering neglects to mention tithing. Furthermore, his emphasis on personal responsibility in giving and that giving was mainly dependent upon the rich argues strongly against Justin advocating tithing. All of Justin’s explicit references to tithing were either incidental or quotes from Scriptures containing the word.


Justin Martyr, First Apology of Justin 67 (ANF 1:185–86).

Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, a Jew 17, 19, 112, 33 (ANF 1:202, 204, 211, 255).

ANF refers to the book set Ante-Nicene Fathers which is a standard theological text set and many the first number represents the book in the series with the other numbers referring to page numbers in the book set - Apocrypha

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

On things being expected of pastors ... just that pastors are held to a higher standard because of the office/position they hold. They have no greater priviledges, just more responsibilities. It's a thankless job, to be sure. When one presents himself as a pastor, people assume he will act/not act a certain way. OP blowing up and calling Jason a liar is not how one would expect or hope a pastor would act. Jason was completely wrong and out of line by starting a thread claiming to be banned when he wasn't yet and complaining about another forum and the members of the forum.


It still doesn't make him right. He wasn't banned when he made the thread...he even admitted it later on.

You want OP to behave calmly* and without a rushing to judgement, what about Jason? He could've avoided a lot, including the ban, by seeking the answer to why he couldn't access his account instead of running over here to start a smear thread against another forum.


You're right. OP degraded his office by jumping out and calling Jason a liar. Whether Jason lied or not, it wasn't right to call him a liar in a public thread.

I have no dogs in this fight ... just trying to look objectively at the situation. I'm convinced sometimes people start things just to get a reaction so they can play the martyr.

I always wonder how some pastors convince people that their job is so rough. That they get nothing themselves out of doing the job. That they are never appreciated. I mean it's almost like they try to make it sound like they hate their job...

Now as far as Jason starting this thread... You are asking us to believe that him not being banned would have been a legitimate thought with everything that led up to this incident. I don't think it was.

I can kind of understand also why OP would have called him a liar. There was a pevious thread about being banned from AMF by Jason. So it was probably just as a legitimate thought for him to think that Jason was just trying to get some attention.

But then again, I remember the first I got banned from AMF thread. And I don't remember OP leaving a very good impression for me there. I think that's what most people saw. So with that already in mind theres no reason he's not goina get slammed now for callin Jason a liar at the start of this thread.

As far as pastors being held to higher standards, I realize they are just people too. However, their whole office is about dealing with people. It's not so much that I think they need to be held to a higher standard, it's just that I expect they should be better at dealing with people in respectable ways than average joe.

So I don't think either one of them did anything particularly wrong. But I definately have a lesser opinion of OP as a result of these two threads. As far as Jason, maybe this was an attention stunt maybe it wasn't. But, until I see a little more of a pattern, I'm not goina judge.

[JoeCastorina]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I AM ASKING FOR ONE POST OF MINE TO BE CUT AND PASTED FROM AMF WHERE I CALLED ONE A FALSE PROPHET, WHERE I USED A PERSONAL INSULT DIRECTED AT ANY POSTER. I strongly disagree with some of thier doctrine, I can't recall even one time insulting them as a person. Bro. Castorina, I am really suprised that you would say this.

I don't have a lot of time to respond to your entire post, but I did want to at least respond to this portion.

Did you specifically point someone out and say "Bro. ______ you are a false prophet."

No.

However, your post said this, "I do believe those teaching tithing are teaching false doctrine."

Since the great majority of men on AMF teach tithing as a Biblical principle that still exists today, what conculsion should one draw?

If you believe preachers who teach tithing in the New Testament church are teaching false doctrine, then you are calling them errant preachers. You can not make one claim while not attaching the other.

Now, if you want to assert that they are only wrong in this one point, and that overall they are correct, then you can say so. However, that wasn't the impression anyone received by your post on AMF.

Then again, we all know how faulty this form of communication can be. However, many took from your posts on AMF an indictment against those pastors who preach tithing and the blessings associated with it.

[D. Wright]

Read this on AMF. Interesting response from a minister.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio Pastor
Wordshare.... off limits here.
APF ..... off limits here.

"Apostolic"friendsforum and their ADMIN..... fair game.

Let it fly fellas.

[JoeCastorina]

Bro. Badejo,

Let me add quickly here that I don't have the time - at the moment - to engage in a lengthy debate regarding tithing. The next couple of weeks will be very busy for me as we move from where we are to Sugar Land where we are starting a Home Missions church. I work a full time job and then have other responsibilities when I get home, so I don't really have the luxury of a full out debate.

However, in a few weeks I would love to approach this subject again. I do think the one-on-one debate is a neat feature and could lend itself to productive dialouge. At the moment though I honestly just don't have the time to spend, and I do believe the emotion of it all is running high right now.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by D. Wright

Read this on AMF. Interesting response from a minister.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ohio Pastor
Wordshare.... off limits here.
APF ..... off limits here.

"Apostolic"friendsforum and their ADMIN..... fair game.

Let it fly fellas.

Yall better stop it before ya validate us. We goina have a persecution complex if stuff like that keeps gettin posted. Then they'll be no changin us. Ya know the whole us against the world thing... it's really quite a powerful motivator. And on top of that Jesus said we would be persecuted by the world... So if we are being persecuted it must be by the world ya know?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by JoeCastorina

Bro. Badejo,

Let me add quickly here that I don't have the time - at the moment - to engage in a lengthy debate regarding tithing. The next couple of weeks will be very busy for me as we move from where we are to Sugar Land where we are starting a Home Missions church. I work a full time job and then have other responsibilities when I get home, so I don't really have the luxury of a full out debate.

However, in a few weeks I would love to approach this subject again. I do think the one-on-one debate is a neat feature and could lend itself to productive dialouge. At the moment though I honestly just don't have the time to spend, and I do believe the emotion of it all is running high right now.

You are living proof that AMF is not all as bad as I have heard

[Apocrypha]

Why not have a thread discussing how the bible dictates that the Levites and priests SPEND the collected tithes? Never heard a sermon on that yet... doubt I ever will.

[D. Wright]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I always wonder how some pastors convince people that their job is so rough. That they get nothing themselves out of doing the job. That they are never appreciated. I mean it's almost like they try to make it sound like they hate their job...

Now as far as Jason starting this thread... You are asking us to believe that him not being banned would have been a legitimate thought with everything that led up to this incident. I don't think it was.

I can kind of understand also why OP would have called him a liar. There was a pevious thread about being banned from AMF by Jason. So it was probably just as a legitimate thought for him to think that Jason was just trying to get some attention.

But then again, I remember the first I got banned from AMF thread. And I don't remember OP leaving a very good impression for me there. I think that's what most people saw. So with that already in mind theres no reason he's not goina get slammed now for callin Jason a liar at the start of this thread.

As far as pastors being held to higher standards, I realize they are just people too. However, their whole office is about dealing with people. It's not so much that I think they need to be held to a higher standard, it's just that I expect they should be better at dealing with people in respectable ways than average joe.

So I don't think either one of them did anything particularly wrong. But I definately have a lesser opinion of OP as a result of these two threads. As far as Jason, maybe this was an attention stunt maybe it wasn't. But, until I see a little more of a pattern, I'm not goina judge.

AMEN!

[shag]

Originally Posted by JoeCastorina

I don't have a lot of time to respond to your entire post, but I did want to at least respond to this portion.

Did you specifically point someone out and say "Bro. ______ you are a false prophet."

No.

However, your post said this, "I do believe those teaching tithing are teaching false doctrine."

Since the great majority of men on AMF teach tithing as a Biblical principle that still exists today, what conculsion should one draw?
If you believe preachers who teach tithing in the New Testament church are teaching false doctrine, then you are calling them errant preachers. You can not make one claim while not attaching the other.
Now, if you want to assert that they are only wrong in this one point, and that overall they are correct, then you can say so. However, that wasn't the impression anyone received by your post on AMF.

Then again, we all know how faulty this form of communication can be. However, many took from your posts on AMF an indictment against those pastors who preach tithing and the blessings associated with it.

I'm not sure it would have been possible for Jason to have presented a challenge concerning NT tithing in such a way/wording that would not be offensive to those that preach it. Maybe possible I suppose, but anyway I can think of that he might have reworded it, would still be an offensive challenge, and ultimately would be received as accusal for teaching false doctorine, would it not?



I want to say, too, that I appreciate the good spirit of your last post, Bro. Joe