Can Women Pastor ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Matthew 28:19 ‘Therefore go and make disciples of all nations’
Mark 16:15 ‘Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation’
Luke 24:47 ‘Repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations’.
As we turn from the gospels onto the Book of Acts we see how seriously the early church took it’s command to take the gospel into the whole world. In Acts 1:8 we see how the early church waited for the promise in order to commence the Great Commission, and this scripture actually quotes the words of Jesus when he says, ‘You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth’.

How in the world does any of this invalidate the plain language of I Tim. 2, or I Cor. 14??????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

There are those that are always going to see things from a closed minded point of view without taking into concideration all areas of interpretation. And instead of winning souls to God chase them away. Worship and service to God is to be with spirit and truth. Not listening to the spirit is the down fall of two many. Paul tells us to study rightly dividing the word. You say you will keep believing the plain words of Paul, well Paul said God is not a respector of persons. But your translation makes God a respector of persons, making the women a lesser part of Gods creation. Paul further lays out that the women is subject to her husband, not a part of the so called 5 fold ministry. You have ask for scripture where women were used as pastor with authority, I ask you for scripture that tells us that the pastor has the authority that is demanded by most churches today.

Well it wouldn't matter how many I gave you [since there are plently], you'll just attempt to relegate them to "cultural ideas" of that day, as you do w/ I Tim. 2! Honestly, I rarely even respond to you, since your ideas are soooooo far fetched. Your fundamental problem is rebellion & stubborness, propogating your own ideas over & above the plain language of the Bible. Sad, very sad.

[Sister Alvear]

How in the world did women ever recieve the Holy Ghost in your church? If you want to look at it from your point of veiw? Silence there is absolute...NOT a sound...It does not say preach...You read that into the book...
I see you have no knowledge of the original languages or customs...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I would like to see him debate Dr. Scheel...

And what would this accomplish, since when we got finished, I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14 would still be there in cold print. And, it would still mean exactly what it says!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

How in the world did women ever recieve the Holy Ghost in your church? If you want to look at it from your point of veiw? Silence there is absolute...NOT a sound...It does not say preach...You read that into the book...
I see you have no knowledge of the original languages or customs...

Quite to the contrary, I'm well familiar w/ the language & custom. Women were not in leadership in the NT church & the Greek word for silent in I Tim. 2 means "quietness". I suppose it was just the custom of the day for folks to heve faith in Christ also????? "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.....and is profitable FOR DOCTRINE." Try again Sis..............

Yes, I'm familiar w/ the word in I Cor. 14, which I'll deal w/ when you bring it up. Next.................

[Sister Alvear]

"PHILIP THE EVANGELIST HAD FOUR DAUGHTERS, VIRGINS, WHICH DID PROPHESY" (Acts xxi. 9). FROM EUSEBIUS, THE ANCIENT ECCLESIASTICAL HISTORIAN, WE LEARN THAT PHILIP'S DAUGHTERS LIVED TO A GOOD OLD AGE, ALWAYS ABOUNDING IN THE WORK OF THE LORD. "MIGHTY LUMINARIES," HE WRITES, "HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP IN ASIA. PHILIP, AND TWO OF HIS VIRGIN DAUGHTERS, SLEEP AT HIERAPOLIS; THE OTHER, AND THE BELOVED DISCIPLE, JOHN, REST AT EPHESUS."

"And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the Gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow-labourers (Phil. iv. 3).

This is a recognition of female labourers, not concerning the Gospel but in the Gospel, whom Paul classes with Clement, and other his fellow-labourers. Precisely the same terms are applied to Timotheus, whom Paul styles a "minister of God, and his fellow-labourer in the Gospel of Christ" (I Thess. iii. 2).

[rdp]

Gotta' go, busy today & this is a waste of time anyway.

Praying that God will lead women preachers in the NT church to repentance.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

And what would this accomplish, since when we got finished, I Tim. 2 & I Cor. 14 would still be there in cold print. And, it would still mean exactly what it says!

You would be speechless...We all believe in 1 Tim and 1 Cor....

[Sister Alvear]

Have you obeyed Acts 2:45? Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need...

[Sister Alvear]

THE WORD RENDERED HELPERS MEANS A FELLOW-LABOURER, ASSOCIATE, COADJUTOR, WORKING TOGETHER, AN ASSISTANT, A JOINT LABOURER, A COLLEAGUE. IN THE NEW TESTAMENT SPOKEN ONLY OF A COWORKER, HELPER IN A CHRISTIAN WORK, THAT IS OF CHRISTIAN TEACHERS. HOW CAN THESE TERMS, WITH ANY SHOW OF CONSISTENCY, BE MADE TO APPLY MERELY TO THE EXERCISE OF HOSPITALITY TOWARDS THE APOSTLE, OR THE DUTY OF PRIVATE VISITATION. TO BE A PARTNER, COADJUTOR, OR JOINT WORKER WITH A PREACHER OF THE GOSPEL, MUST BE SOMETHING MORE THAN TO BE HIS WAITING-MAID.

Again, "Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord" (Rom. xvi. 12). Dr. Clarke, on this verse, says, "Many have spent much useless labour in endeavouring to prove that these women did not preach. That there were prophetesses as well as prophets in the Church we learn, and that a woman might pray or prophesy provided that she had her head covered we know; and, according to St. Paul (I Cor. xiv. 3), whoever prophesied spoke unto others to edification, exhortation, and comfort, and that no preacher can do more every person must acknowledge. Because, to edify, exhort, and comfort, are the prime ends of the Gospel ministry. If women thus prophesied, then women preached."