Lot's Revelation of Grace - Page 8

rrford · #71 10-31-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

I have heard these accusations but haven't met too many people like this. I know plenty of people who reject extra-Biblical teaching and are accused of this.

It has become obvious to me that this is the real point some of you are trying to make. It just has to be about those old standard preaching folks. Amazing. I never mentioned one standard or specific teaching.

I should have known better than to post it but I thought it worth the read. Some day perhaps I will learn better.

But I have learned that OA's "Island" thread was truer than I realized the after initially reading it.

Baron1710 · #72 10-31-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim Komando

This is about the time of 2 or 3 of them will pop in here and say " This forum isnt apostolic. It is apostate" and RRFord will chime in with "This is why I don't post here, like I used too."

They don't want their teaching to be criticized in light of the Word.

To RR's credit, he would not sign the WeDeclare garbage. He has been an outspoken critic of it even to the dismay of his colleagues.

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Originally Posted by rrford

It has become obvious to me that this is the real point some of you are trying to make. It just has to be about those old standard preaching folks. Amazing. I never mentioned one standard or specific teaching.

I should have known better than to post it but I thought it worth the read. Some day perhaps I will learn better.

But I have learned that OA's "Island" thread was truer than I realized the after initially reading it.

Took a little longer than you thought but...

Your story had some serious issues. I didn't bring up standards I brought up people who are accused of misusing grace as a cloak for sin. The topic you said this thread was about. I said extra-Biblical, you said standards. Perhaps you think that standards equal extra-Biblical? We agree then.

Typical and predicted on the first page.

rrford · #73 10-31-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Took a little longer than you thought but...

Your story had some serious issues. I didn't bring up standards I brought up people who are accused of misusing grace as a cloak for sin. The topic you said this thread was about. I said extra-Biblical, you said standards. Perhaps you think that standards equal extra-Biblical? We agree then.

Typical and predicted on the first page.

Again, I stand by the original post. IMO, you were looking for something to disagree with and read into it.

Lot was righteous in the eyes of God. That in no wise made him exempt from making the costly mistake of thinking mercy was grace. Nor did it exempt him from making other mistakes that cost him dearly.

Baron1710 · #74 10-31-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

Again, I stand by the original post. IMO, you were looking for something to disagree with and read into it.

Lot was righteous in the eyes of God. That in no wise made him exempt from making the costly mistake of thinking mercy was grace. Nor did it exempt him from making other mistakes that cost him dearly.

It took you awhile to get to Lot being righteous, so glad you could join us.

I don't see where you get that Lot mistook mercy for grace or even that that phrase has any real meaning. And yes I read your posts. I wasn't looking for something to criticize I was just reading it then grace became incest. It was a huge jump in logic.

EA · #75 10-31-2009, 08:15 PM

Lot chose to live in a wicked place.
Lot's wife didn't want to leave it.
Lot's daughters were influenced by their environment.
Lot's wife was lost because the escape that grace provided was not rewarded with obedience on her part.
Lot got drunk.
Lot slept with both of his daughters.
Lot impregnated both of his daughters.

EA · #76 10-31-2009, 08:17 PM

Making poor decisions does not make us unrighteous, but anyone can see that poor choices can affect future behaviors. Lot DID eventually enter into disobedience because of his poor decisions.

RevDWW · #77 10-31-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rrford

It has become obvious to me that this is the real point some of you are trying to make. It just has to be about those old standard preaching folks. Amazing. I never mentioned one standard or specific teaching.

I should have known better than to post it but I thought it worth the read. Some day perhaps I will learn better.

But I have learned that OA's "Island" thread was truer than I realized the after initially reading it.

Unfortunately there are some of "those old standard preaching folks" that do take extra-biblical stances on some standards and make them heaven or hell.

While some would want to toss any extra biblical standard as being a stumbling block, there is nothing wrong with folks having them but where the rub comes is when they try to shoe-horn the Word into them and give them standing as if the Lord spoke them Himself.

rrford · #78 10-31-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

It took you awhile to get to Lot being righteous, so glad you could join us.

I don't see where you get that Lot mistook mercy for grace or even that that phrase has any real meaning. And yes I read your posts. I wasn't looking for something to criticize I was just reading it then grace became incest. It was a huge jump in logic.

Wow. How you got that is beyond me. Grace didn't become incest. Rejecting grace leads to those types of activities. Or, as I am learning, not to some people. Amazing. Not sure I have ever had one of my posts more misinterpreted since posting on Forums. Nice job.

rrford · #79 10-31-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Making poor decisions does not make us unrighteous, but anyone can see that poor choices can affect future behaviors. Lot DID eventually enter into disobedience because of his poor decisions.

Evidently, irregardless of what Lot did, he remained righteous. Sorry, can't reconcile that one. Unrighteuous acts makes one unrighteous.

Further, Peter stating "righteous Lot" should not at all be read to say that the entirety of Lot's life was righteousl I have always read it to mean that as a righteous man when he first entered Sodom, Lot vexed his soul by being in an ungodly environment. I have never read it to me he was considered righteous irregardless of his actions as some here are intimating.

There was a time Samson was righteous; Judas was righteous; Korah was righteous. That in no wise means they remained righteous.

rrford · #80 10-31-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

Unfortunately there are some of "those old standard preaching folks" that do take extra-biblical stances on some standards and make them heaven or hell.

While some would want to toss any extra biblical standard as being a stumbling block, there is nothing wrong with folks having them but where the rub comes is when they try to shoe-horn the Word into them and give them standing as if the Lord spoke them Himself.

No doubt. And that has nothing to do with my thread starter no matter how much folks want to fit it into that mold.